Extreme Roulette would be good for game

[LeafDreams]

Hello,
I'm just leaving a feedback\suggestion about Extreme duties in the Duty Finder

currently the extreme trials have some issues, for both regular players who queue for that and kinda for the mentors:

for the people who queue for those:
- way too long queue wait time.
- have some issues of mentor leaving right after entering.
- not being able to just play extreme to play extreme for fun, have to select 5 duties and wait for it instead of having a big selection which roulettes are.

for the mentors:
- too many people with no information of how extreme are and can't adapt to the sudden increase of difficulty, despite the mentors trying to teach (not so frequent)
- some mentors have cleared those unsynced, and when it actually joins a synced mode, don't have the proper info\preparations for the fight, might ending up just be dying along the non-mentor players.
- some just don't like being "unlucky" and get an extreme trial in the roulette.

the extreme trials in duty finder are not an issue just for the mentors who usually complain the most about it, is also for the non-mentor players.

I think an extreme trial roulette would help a lot with those issues, because:

- the new extreme trial players will have faster queue and get players who actually wants to play extreme trials with them.
- people who likes to play those for fun will have a way bigger pool of selection with the roulette, and also have faster queue.
- the mentors will less likely to end up in a extreme trial in the mentor roulette, making a safer place for those who don't like these.

and also will give one more daily duty for the players farm, not sure how big the reward would be fair, but it'll be nice one more thing to do.

this wouldn't totally make everyone happy 100%, because that's impossible in anything, but I think this would improve a lot the extreme trials for both sides of mentor and non-mentor players.

that's just a suggestion. not sure of how people would feel about it, but I thought a lot about this after playing a lot of extreme content in both PF and DF.

[AmpelioB]

I agree and they could add some older savage raids into that for the fun.

[ForteNightshade]

An Extreme Trial roulette would be completely dead within the first day of its existence. There simply isn't a worthwhile enough reward to encourage people to queue into that content where they fight and people they're with will be entirely random. Think about it. Currently, the highest amount of relevant tome rewards comes from Expert at 90. Even if they matched that. Why would people queue into it when dungeons and hunt trains will be significantly faster with a fraction of the effort?

Roulettes are essentially meant to be a daily chore; something you can easily hop into with zero preparation. Hence why you'll get all types of skill levels. And also why EXs often are a disaster in Mentor Roulette. They're simply not fights you do without a more committed group with a set goal in mind. It won't attract the people who want to try and get their first clear and it absolutely won't attract most who already have it.

Why not make the reward huge then you may ask? Why would I queue in with randoms when I could simply ask friends or my static and we knock it out as part of our weeklies? There's just no way to make it appealing.

[AmpelioB]

An Extreme Trial roulette would be completely dead within the first day of its existence. There simply isn't a worthwhile enough reward to encourage people to queue into that content where they fight and people they're with will be entirely random. Think about it. Currently, the highest amount of relevant tome rewards comes from Expert at 90.

1 cluster from materia X and 2 materia IX, 50 of newest tomestone. done. AdviNeed give 1 more of each cluster.

[ForteNightshade]

1 cluster from materia X and 2 materia IX, 50 of newest tomestone. done. AdviNeed give 1 more of each cluster.

Ahahaha

... you actually think that will motivate anyone? Materia are given out like candy nowadays. I could get more in twenty minutes from a hunt train alongside more than double the latest tomes (120 to be specific). All without putting in the slightest bit of effort since hunt trains are mindless.

50 tomes and 1/2 grade X materia is nothing. Hell, grade IXs aren't even 4k on the market board. For reference sake on just how easy they are to obtain. I have stacks of 200+ on every single IX and 100+ on the Xs without grinding a single second. That's all from simply doing the occasional around of roulettes. I haven't even done a hunt train since 6.1 dropped. To get people into an EX Trial roulette, you'd need like 300 tomes and 10+ materia. Even that I doubt would motivate many. And like I said, would prompt some to simply queue in as a full pre-made. Nobody will ever queue with DF randoms at the EX level.

[Latarma]

Ahahaha

... you actually think that will motivate anyone? Materia are given out like candy nowadays. I could get more in twenty minutes from a hunt train alongside more than double the latest tomes (120 to be specific). All without putting in the slightest bit of effort since hunt trains are mindless.

50 tomes and 1/2 grade X materia is nothing. Hell, grade IXs aren't even 4k on the market board. For reference sake on just how easy they are to obtain. I have stacks of 200+ on every single IX and 100+ on the Xs without grinding a single second. That's all from simply doing the occasional around of roulettes. I haven't even done a hunt train since 6.1 dropped. To get people into an EX Trial roulette, you'd need like 300 tomes and 10+ materia. Even that I doubt would motivate many. And like I said, would prompt some to simply queue in as a full pre-made. Nobody will ever queue with DF randoms at the EX level.

i doubt it would work but but add and item you can get and you need say 15-20 adn you by any EX mount. other that hat i do see any rewards being worth it

[UkcsAlias]

One important aspect on this is that it should not involve the exploit the alliance raids have in which downgearing prevents difficult content. Otherwise it would just break the point of existing as you will just end with the lvl 50 trials most of the time which then are trivial to beat due to players doing these lots of times.

3 methods to achieve this:
- The roulette looks at the MSQ and character level to decide a fair treshold, and it uses each questline (ARR,ARA,HW,DS,SB,etc) as treshold to decide which content they are matched to. And this is simply enforced by ilvl. Having higher gear on that will enable a few more trials to show up. But it will avoid massive undergearing (someone in post EW will still get all ShB content). Taking a weaker char can still get people to enforce them to enter lower level content, but this generaly just means more suffering for them with it.
- The rewards for completion scale based on the ilvl you entered with. joining in ilvl130 will only give about 25% of the rewards vs ilvl500 gear then. Making gearing up a generaly more beneficial action. Alternatively, the scaling can even be made non linear and/or scale with MSQ.
- The roulette is only available at max lvl with an enforced min ilvl. No scaling, and only available in post EW.

[ForteNightshade]

i doubt it would work but but add and item you can get and you need say 15-20 adn you by any EX mount. other that hat i do see any rewards being worth it

Even then, they would have to force solo queuing otherwise people would simply make a pre-made to farm whatever goodies they added without actually doing what was intended by the roulette: help newer players clear EXs. Of course, making it a solo queue only option is precisely what will keep those same people out.

[AmpelioB]

Ahahaha

... you actually think that will motivate anyone? Materia are given out like candy nowadays. I could get more in twenty minutes from a hunt train alongside more than double the latest tomes (120 to be specific). All without putting in the slightest bit of effort since hunt trains are mindless.

yes, you are on a basis that everyone has time to be around a hunt trains when they happen, most people don't have that luxury.

[Kaurhz]

yes, you are on a basis that everyone has time to be around a hunt trains when they happen, most people don't have that luxury.

I can assure you a hunt train will be just as frequent if not more frequent than the clear rates of doing extreme primal roulettes. Besides, you need to keep in mind that you equally get materia via just simply doing expert roulettes anyway, even if random.

The sum reward of 1 or 2 Dendro and Anthro clusters is an extremely pitiful reward. Arguably for the time invested on clearing and the rate of clearing you can multiply that by 5 if you like and it still wouldn't be worth it. That's 4-8K (Maybe 16K in a couple of weeks) Gil which is just awful considering the invested time. Players can simply do something else and then get far greater gains by selling items to just outright buy materia.