Simple solution for Cover/Hallowed ground cheese

[Cheremia]

I know threads like this exist already, but my two cents to this whole debacle after being cheeses by plds in Onsal for basically every node just now and flames giving up and fighting second place instead of first:

Make attacks interrupt plds through hallowed.
Same for the person they cover.

With this, you can still protect people with cover and hallowed, but it is NOT free objective.

I know pld has 3 consistend counterplays, aka dancer, reaper and warrior.
Dancer range sucks and having to play reaper and or warrior just to counter it sucks, also.

And warrior can't break hallowed ground.

Just because it "has" some sort of counterplay it does not mean it is good counterplay.
Stuns etc. don't go through guard, even if it would, the person they have covered can still cap the objective.

Hence: Interruption.
Get attacked? Interrupted, just as it always worked.

[Lorentz]

The fact that this cheese has been going on for so long and SE has done nothing to address it despite the obvious damage it does to the enjoyment of PvP in Onsal is quite the shame to put it very politely. When two people can simply alter the entire course of a Frontline via a cheese that is very terrible pvp job design at work.

[GordonGeeko]

I wouldn't put it politely. This is pure incompetence.

[Cheremia]

The fact that this cheese has been going on for so long and SE has done nothing to address it despite the obvious damage it does to the enjoyment of PvP in Onsal is quite the shame to put it very politely. When two people can simply alter the entire course of a Frontline via a cheese that is very terrible pvp job design at work.

Aye and it seems like they don‘t know a solution.

Hallowed and cover don‘t need changes (plds are not immune to cc while just in hg after all) to avoid cheese

Interruping is the best way since it does not take away from how pld is played but one coordinated duo ( or more) can‘t „cheat the system“

I mean, we could just join them but that would ruin it even more…
Maybe we should make the mode unplayable for them to do something

Note: am aware that they apparently WANT to change it but that was more important than WINRATE ONLY buffs/nerfs, which is stupid without playrates shown

[Necrotica]

It is a sad situation. I have heard many players say horrible things about the developers over this. I won't name and shame cause of rules, but I have heard such things as

should be fired
should be tied down and beaten with wet noodles
are a bunch of idiots
are so retarded as to make god question creating mankind

These are horrible things to hear and I try to defend the developers, but it is not easy.

[GordonGeeko]

Why do you want to defend them ?

Are you happy with the current state of PVP ?

You think it's okay to have an exploit that completely changes the way the game is played ? Even when that exploit has been discussed for MONTHS ?

I won't go into all the details why the developers are incompetent since this is a Cover/Hallowed Ground cheese topic. But yes, they should be fired. Maybe try to get people who actually care next time.

[Ravenwatch]

Why do you want to defend them ?

Are you happy with the current state of PVP ?

This is a false dilemma fallacy. Just because someone is not taking the extremist route of opinion does not mean they agree with the state of PvP. There is such thing as wishing for them to fix it without resorting to what they listed.

[GordonGeeko]

Not calling for them to get beaten up.

But they have to go. They very obviously don't care. Even if they fixed it tomorrow morning, the fact that it lasted so long with very very very little communication is pathetic. We're long past the point of "wishing for a fix".

Not having the resources to address things in a timely manner is not an excuse. They have a responsibility to their paying customers to deliver a quality product, that yes, includes PVP.

It's not something that most people don't agree with like the 60% damage mitigation on melees, which sucks, but whatever. It's an exploit changing the game with little to no counterplay.

If it was a PVE exploit that allowed you to easily beat savage/ultimate raids, it would be hotfixed overnight. But PVP players are always treated like second-class citizens. Sure, this is mostly a story/PVE game, but it's no excuse to give some of your players a completely broken product.

[Mayhemmer]

Not calling for them to get beaten up.

But they have to go. They very obviously don't care. Even if they fixed it tomorrow morning, the fact that it lasted so long with very very very little communication is pathetic. We're long past the point of "wishing for a fix".

Not having the resources to address things in a timely manner is not an excuse. They have a responsibility to their paying customers to deliver a quality product, that yes, includes PVP.

It's not something that most people don't agree with like the 60% damage mitigation on melees, which sucks, but whatever. It's an exploit changing the game with little to no counterplay.

If it was a PVE exploit that allowed you to easily beat savage/ultimate raids, it would be hotfixed overnight. But PVP players are always treated like second-class citizens. Sure, this is mostly a story/PVE game, but it's no excuse to give some of your players a completely broken product.

Asking for some nebulous employee(s) who will never be named regardless to be let go from their jobs is absurd and always will be. No player has been harmed or lost their livelihoods over some pvp exploit, regardless of how annoying it is.

Just make your discontent be heard on the matter, but staying civil about it is better for everybody in the long run.

[Rueby]

It's funny how in these threads you still find people fanatically defending the devs and settle for less cause 'muh dev does nothing wrong and muh game is perfect uwu' meanwhile afks in limsa

I highly doubt their pvp overhaul was tested in frontlines, or if they care about that mode (or people who play pvp for that matter/and anyone in the EN community) but hey you have to understand, small indie company /s