The feeling of beeing Home ...

[Aneshda]

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I wrote clearly what I don't like on the Scions. It was maybe nice in A Realm Reborn or Heavensward ... but after that not acceptable that those "around" our WoL are still the same bunch of never changing People.

Imagine you buy a book and you buy it primarily because of the cover, the title and a little bit because of what's on the cover. You read the book and the story is exciting, new and after you have finished reading the book you start googling whether the author has other books, whether there will be another book.
Time flies, but 2 years later the time has finally come. Another book is coming, continuing the story you loved so much. The second book is even better than the first, more exciting and you are so hyped that you tell your friends, maybe even your family, about the book and the story. The continuation of the story now makes more sense to you and on the internet you can find other people who have also read these books. You exchange ideas and can hardly wait for the story to continue. The author of this story found that his book was a great success and states on his homepage that there will be another book based on this story.
Another 2 years pass and when you finally hold the third book in your hands and read it, it gets more and more exciting. So much new about this story, you can literally see it in front of you as everything took its course and maybe you can even guess how it will end.

2.5 years later the last book of this story appears. The cover is colourful, with a great title, what is written on the cover is exciting and promises a great few hours of reading. Now that you've finished reading this last book, you're sitting with the book in your hands and the only thing that comes to mind is, "Is that all?" What did I read there? You look to see if it's really the same author as the 3 books before...no doubt it's the same. You have questions, so many questions about the story, but the story is over now. So you exchange ideas with the other people who have also read this story and the others also have many questions. Together you decide to write a letter to the author with the questions you have about the story and in response you get the following... "Dear readers, thank you for the time you have spent with my books.
All these years you have been faithful to me, but I only have one answer to all your questions and that is "don't read my story too closely".

[Deveryn]

I'd be mad too if I was paying more than double the subscription to hold useless trinkets.

[Zomkei]

honestly i agree with OP. i'm sticking to it because of content and raids, but the story has been very disappointing to me and i found myself skipping more cutscenes than i have in the past. but people will like and dislike what they want so i think its fair to say take a break and come back when you feel you'll enjoy the game more.

G'raha Tia is now everywhere, fawning over us and we can't say that he should piss off and leave us alone.

100 percent agree. it's very annoying, especially how they try to make him look uwu cutesy :\

[Silverbane]

If you are going to talk smack about coffee, at least educate enough that you don't think espresso is an "outlier brand" of coffee. That's just too ignorant

Look up the word outlier.

Doubling down on your ignorance, rather than doing an research? Typical.
Espresso is neither an "outlier" form of coffee nor a "brand" of coffee:

Espresso is the most common way of making coffee in southern Europe, especially in Italy, France, Spain, and Portugal. It is also popular in Switzerland, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece, and in Australia. -- Wikipedia, "Espresso"

[Hurlstone]

Personally speaking I loved Endwalker. Sure there could have been parts where I feel it could have been better (Nothing is perfect) but its my second favorite expansion and I like what it did with many of the characters. Its funny, the Scions where always 'OK' characters to me during ARR+ but it was Shadowbringers that made me really care for them. I apprecated how many they grew over that expansion, and despite what others say I though Endwalker did them OK too.

All that said, I kinda hope we do move on now, take a break from these characters and meet a new cast of folk to befriend and go on adventures with. My biggest dissapointment of the expansion would be just how involved they where in 6.1. For what is meant to be the start of our grand new adventure, we really ended up getting almost eveyone involved again... kinda felt a bit off.

[AwesomeJr44]

Doubling down on your ignorance, rather than doing an research? Typical.
Espresso is neither an "outlier" form of coffee nor a "brand" of coffee:

Espresso is the most common way of making coffee in southern Europe, especially in Italy, France, Spain, and Portugal. It is also popular in Switzerland, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece, and in Australia. -- Wikipedia, "Espresso"

Outlier doesn't mean rare. Look the word up. Please don't insult my ability to do research when you don't know what outlier means and are refusing to look it up when I told you that your use of the word was wrong.

Besides, I didn't say it was rare, you assumed I was referring to Espresso. I wasn't.

[Treesus]

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I do see the point your trying to make to a point. The same cast has grown somewhat stale, and I think alot of people were hoping with the new "story arc" that we would see a mostly new cast, if not entirely new. While there IS some hope that may still happen, its dwindling. However alot of the issues you seem to be expounding on seem less tied to the scions and just how the story ended in general. Which I mean, yeah, some plot points did feel a little underwhelming. But I do have to question if some of those remaining plot points are going to be expounded on later or not. If so, its partly just a waiting game. From a person to person perspective, its just a "you do you" kinda thing. There are those who will enjoy the ending we got, and some who wont. Im kinda half and half personally, I still think shadowbringers is by FAR the better expansion when taken on its own story alone compared to EW being more of just a "wrapping things up". But that again brings up the question, why play still. Ideas of sunk cost time and money aside, you make it clear your pretty disappointed by the ending we got. Are you still playing because the story still holds at least enough interest for what remains, or are you just playing for the sake of playing. I think on a whole most people enjoyed EW, not that that outcome is right, but I think the story is going to continue on a "majority says" basis. If this ending was so disappointing, I dont currently see alot of reason to hope that newer stories will be much different. If they are, you can of course always return, but outside of debating ideas on the form, simple saying "I dint like it" has historically done very little unless its echoed by the masses. Playing other games is of course an option. Staying to see if the game rekindles your interest is another. At the end, a majority of the complaints you bring up are less "provable bad aspects" and more "I simply dislike it." Which is fine. Some I even agree with, some I dont. Its hard to say what to do in this situation. As someone whos left multiple mmos in the past, my suggest is just to go. Try something new. Theres so many games out there that its nearly impossible to not find something that suits your fancy. But the end decision is yours.

[MikkoAkure]

Imagine you buy a book and you buy it primarily because of the cover, the title and a little bit because of what's on the cover.

It's a bit too easy, but isn't there that famous saying "don't judge a book by it's cover"? And I don't understand why you need to make a whole allegory about the game being a book, we all understand how video games and expansions work because we've played it.

On topic, I wonder how what the percentages of people who didn't like EW compared to those who did is like when also taking into account people who got super into the Ancients and people who didn't. I didn't particularly associate with the Ancients because they're a long-dead precursor race we don't really have much to do with despite being reincarnated from one of the important ones. But just because our soul is partially one of them doesn't mean we are one and what's more important to our character is the survival of our own world since that's all we knew about our entire lives until our jaunts through Amaurot and Elpis. People getting way into them to the point they're making signatures about how bad Venat is reminds me that the word "fan" is short for "fanatic".

Despite liking the Elpis parts of the story better than the rest, I wonder if the whole story would have been less controversial if we never went there and instead of the Venat we got, we had a 100% super good and unproblematic Venat and the Sundering was her accidentally kicking Zodiark too hard.

As for the Scions, love them or hate them, they're pretty much the only thing tying the game together at this point and probably will into the future as well. ARR was all the Scions together, HW was 2 Scions + guests, SB was (mostly) 2 Scions, and ShB and EW were "the whole team back together again, plus 1 guest". If it weren't for them, a lot of the story wouldn't have happened and we wouldn't have had a home base. I hope they can introduce new blood that are completely fresh and aren't scrapped from old job quests, but I don't see them going away altogether.

[Zomkei]

hey guys

i am here today to talk about how im addicted to tea

[AwesomeJr44]

hey guys

i am here today to talk about how im addicted to tea

Welcome to the tea resistance group.

We didn't start this war, but we're gonna end it lol