Actually cannot get a Ranked match

[Sottiri]

Feast was actually dead. CC is not. I'm still queuing in the evening once or twice a week and getting pops within 5 minutes in ranked and unranked pops nearly instantly. And the prime time argument literally applies to any game. Even popular games matchmaking takes significantly longer if you're trying to get a match after 1am. Most people are asleep by then.

that's news to me, feast popped all days of s20 :shrug:

[VoidsentStatus]

I can say for Gold, Plat, and high Diamond on Primal and Crystal, the only queue times I can get a match seem to be like 6/7PM-2/3AM Eastern. I was trying to queue at 4-5PM on Saturday, nothing. That morning at 10-11AM and hit 87 minutes wait time before a kick out. Even the weekend doesn't change it. I've had times where we've had the same 10 people for 4+ matches just reshuffled. We already knew who was going to win because of the carries. We ended up with at least 3-4 ex-Crystal's (borders showing) in Diamond 5/4, going against legitimate Plat 4's with a huge skill gap. And so, that whole series was just based on who had the most Crystal's on their team from RNG since noone new was being brought in. Finally got like 3 new people (7 names of the 10 I knew), match plays out and the next queue goes for like 20+ minutes and can't find a match. Like there were enough people who just quit to not even have 10 people anymore so the entire queue just got killed instantly.

[RyuDragnier]

This demotion feature is great. If you fall down from Crystal and can't manage to climb back up, did you really deserve to be there ? And if you quit because you're frustrated that you keep de-ranking, were you really made for the Top 100 grind ?

Who knows, maybe I'll go from Crystal to Platinum one day, if that happens I'll adjust, learn some strategies, play new jobs, try to diff a weak player. That's how it should be in ranked PVP.

As long as lower rank queues keep popping and give you a chance to climb back up. I'm curious what this "dynamic matchmaking" will look like in practice, maybe it will fix the issue of low rank queues dying.

No, this is a bad idea. Because luck is a big role in CC, since you have no control over your allies. Imagine that somebody who is bad at CC gets lucky enough to where they get 4 competent allies, and thus get on a winning streak and end up in Crystal. Did THEY deserve to be there? No, of course not, they got carried. Now imagine the reverse, somebody good enough to get into Crystal is unlucky enough to get multiple bad players like that over and over again. They go from the cusp of Crystal all the way back down to the bottom of Platinum. That's not their fault, they're getting horribly unlucky with matchmaking. They deserve to be at Crystal, but got screwed by RNG. THAT is why people hate this sort of thing.

Hell, I'm purposefully trying to get all the way to Crystal right now so when the patch comes, I never have to do ranked again because I NEVER want to deal with that nonsense, as it's already infuriating enough to go from the top of a rank to the bottom of the risers. Dropping ranks is something I never want to deal with in CC, and it is very likely going to kill ranked for a lot of players, which results in less players, which results in less matches, which leads to ranked CC going the way of Feast, a dead PvP mode.

[GordonGeeko]

Hell, I'm purposefully trying to get all the way to Crystal right now so when the patch comes, I never have to do ranked again because I NEVER want to deal with that nonsense,

You don't have to go through that trouble. Everyone's gonna start on Bronze on S3 no matter where you were at the end of season 2.

Edit: I think I misinterpreted what you meant. If you mean getting to Crystal just this one time then sure. I thought you wanted to not start too low on S3.

[GordonGeeko]

If someone just wants to hit Crystal and stop there because they want the frame/achievement or something, that's fine. They'll just stop playing and keep that rank for the season because of no decay. I highly doubt that's a significant portion of the ranked player base.

To your example, if someone got to Crystal on a lucky winstreak and they keep playing, sooner or later they will fall back down because of the de-ranking. That's the goal. Before, they could have gotten a lucky winstreak, got to Crystal and then lost 95% of their games and they were not going anywhere. Now they are.

On the reverse, someone who got unlucky and fell back down will grind to get back up. If they truly deserve to be there, they'll get there eventually.

Demotion is fantastic and yes, that might very well happen to me and that's okay.

I think people seem to think that Feast was a lot more "dead" than it really was. It was slow at times because no one wanted to play healer because of the insane pressure on you to perform. With the current no role restriction and the larger player base, if you gave better rewards for top 100, ranked CC would be just fine.

Luck is a much bigger thing right now, because there are Crystal players that are so hilariously bad that the games are determined not by who plays better, but by who has X person on their team. If X is gone, then you go back to a contest of skill, not luck.

[ThaCa]

No, this is a bad idea. Because luck is a big role in CC, since you have no control over your allies. Imagine that somebody who is bad at CC gets lucky enough to where they get 4 competent allies, and thus get on a winning streak and end up in Crystal. Did THEY deserve to be there? No, of course not, they got carried. Now imagine the reverse, somebody good enough to get into Crystal is unlucky enough to get multiple bad players like that over and over again. They go from the cusp of Crystal all the way back down to the bottom of Platinum. That's not their fault, they're getting horribly unlucky with matchmaking. They deserve to be at Crystal, but got screwed by RNG. THAT is why people hate this sort of thing.

Hell, I'm purposefully trying to get all the way to Crystal right now so when the patch comes, I never have to do ranked again because I NEVER want to deal with that nonsense, as it's already infuriating enough to go from the top of a rank to the bottom of the risers. Dropping ranks is something I never want to deal with in CC, and it is very likely going to kill ranked for a lot of players, which results in less players, which results in less matches, which leads to ranked CC going the way of Feast, a dead PvP mode.

Even with teammate randomness all of the S1 top players are back where they were. Getting bad teammates or having to play vs someones alts will slow the progress down, that's all it does.

This season I got very late start due the mess with the server transfers, it took me 50 some wins to get back there because I kept facing another people who got their rank reset from transfers, so we kept killing each others streaks occasionally. Previously I did it in something like 39 during late season on different DC when aside from rare alt the opponents were fairly easy most of the time.

Deranking means very little if you care for the end of season rewards as with 6.2 your highest achieved rank will count regardless, the most important thing is that it keep the complete dead weights out instead of having them hang in Crystal 0 rating and sabotaging games for the highest rated players because the game will try to even out the team ratings and keeps pushing them or Diamond players into 3k+ rating people's teams.

As for ranks themselves, Crystal is completely meaningless with the amount of players that got it in Season 1. Someone posted the public achievement data and about half of the players who even played Ranked beyond the very first unranked tier got Crystal with the remainders getting equal split each.