MSQ Difficulty and Exclusion

[Eraden]

Because you never mentioned it in our exchange. Why would I? In fact, it isn't until page three of a now sixteen page thread you bring up having Parkinson's. Meanwhile, I joined this discussion only on page eight and specifically quoted your own nonsensical tirade spewing off about elitism and your exaggeration that, and I quote, "only the OP and fewer and fewer people can participate." Which neither what the OP nor anyone else in this thread has remotely suggested. The OP even highlighted specific fights which are already being cleared by casual players. Some of them simply aren't faceroll level difficulty. Looking back through the whole thread now, you even have someone who their own disability asking you not to lump them in with your generalization yet you proceed to fight with them tooth and nail.

Nonetheless, while having a disability is unfortunate, a game cannot cater towards it otherwise the vast majority of players who aren't disabled are left with simplistic and undertuned content. What they can do, and to Sqaure Enix's credit have, is offer accessibilities options. In this particular instance, the expansion of Trusts. What you're doing is demanding the game work for you and screaming at anyone and everyone who feels differently because their own experiences isn't as enjoyable. Once again, nobody is asking for the MSQ content to be radically altered into this extremely difficult gauntlet on the "elitists" could overcome. They're asking for content where say, in an Expert Dungeons, healers are actually relevant. Right now, they literally don't have a purpose. All four tanks can and have full wall pulled everything because the outgoing damage is laughable and their kits are incredible.

First, it is your responsibility, as well as that of all other people who respond to posts, to have done their due diligence and actually have read the other posts in the thread in order to understand the context of the posts. Not doing so is simply pure laziness. Second, it is a fact that if the combat portions of the MSQs (this is what the OP was asking for) are made more difficult, it will begin to exclude players like me who already struggle from time to time. Third, the other poster in this thread who has a disability had repeatedly ignored my clarifications that I was not referring to all disabled people and certainly not that poster who's abilities were sufficient enough to complete even the most difficult of content this game has to offer. Fortunately, that poster finally acknowledged my other posts and we had a cordial end to our discussion. Fourth, I am demanding nothing of this game. It is YOU and others like you who are asking the core game to be changed. I haven't asked once for any of the harder content to be made more accessible to me. YOU are asking for the core part of the game to be made more difficult. YOU are the one being selfish here.

[ForteNightshade]

We have quite a bit to break down here.

First, it is your responsibility, as well as that of all other people who respond to posts, to have done their due diligence and actually have read the other posts in the thread in order to understand the context of the posts.

This is hogwash. You're expecting people to read through what is now sixteen pages for context instead of simply mentioning it when relevant to the argument you're having with specific individuals. That isn't how forums work. Not to mention, my initial response had nothing to do with disabilities but rather your comical exaggeration into extremism; initially describing the whole thing as elitism then claiming it "cause significant reductions in the player base" which is little more than a massive assumption. Especially when the OP lists content casual players have already been clearing for years. It may impact you but not a significant portion of the playerbase as you like to insinuate.

Furthermore, the OP is asking for the content to not be entirely faceroll not to be some Savage level insurmountable wall. Once again, I specifically cited an example, which you conveniently ignored. So I'll spell it out. Healers in current level dungeon content are irrelevant. They're literally nothing more than gimped DPS because tanks have so much self sustain and mitigation at their disposal, they can and have soloed the bosses. Warrior is notorious for being able to solo everything single dungeon boss in Endwalker and even P1N. Granted, Paladin and Gunbreaker can as well, just with more work involved. Making healers actually be required to, you know, heal isn't going to make the dungeons the latest Ultimate. Making old content like Shinryu remain relevant instead of being power crept into oblivion also isn't going progression some impossible task. If it did, casual players wouldn't have gotten through base Stormblood.

Fortunately, that poster finally acknowledged my other posts and we had a cordial end to our discussion.

This a blatant lie. You argued with them for four pages before she politely bowed out after getting tired of arguing with your constant strawmanning. Their last post was,

I've said what I've wanted to say and gave my opinions on OP's topic, have a nice night.

You certainly have an interesting definition of cordial.

Fourth, I am demanding nothing of this game. It is YOU and others like you who are asking the core game to be changed. I haven't asked once for any of the harder content to be made more accessible to me. YOU are asking for the core part of the game to be made more difficult. YOU are the one being selfish here.

You literally said in this very response that making the game any harder will exclude you. Thus, you're demanding it stay exactly the way it is because it benefits you. Now if that was simply you expressing an opinion there wouldn't be an argument. Instead, you came into this thread guns blazing, immediately jumped to extremes and went off on everyone who dared to express their opinion that content is far too easy leading to the aforementioned healer example. We're both allowed to have opinions here, regardless of whether or not you like it. But yes, go on insisting other people are selfish.

At this point, I'll take Mosha's cue and bow out of this brick wall myself.

[Eraden]

This latest post of yours is yet again another example of why it is important to educate yourself by reading the other posts in the thread before responding with some inane drivel. It's not hogwash. It's due diligence which you obviously appear to forgo in favor of being lazy. If you had actually bothered to read the whole thread you would have learned that the conversation between me and the other poster with a disability, had continued and at one point we had both conceded some points and ended the discussion cordially. You are either being incredibly lazy with your responses or you are deliberately trying to be malicious. I never said anything about the OP wanting to make the MSQs equivalent to Savage level content. I said that making the MSQs harder will begin to exclude players like myself that are already struggling from time to time. The game in it's current form is ALREADY in a state where I can still play the core portion of it. YOU are the one, along with others, who are calling for the game to be changed. YOU are still the one being selfish here. It is incredibly perverse to suggest that because I enjoy the game as it currently ALREADY is, that somehow I am making a demand of it. I have no need to make a demand of it because it is already accessible to me. I DO have a beef with those of you who want to change the game such that it might not be playable by me anymore.