MSQ Difficulty and Exclusion

[Nizzi]

I think that accessibility is a great thing, and I firmly believe the MSQ should be available to all who want to do it - for this reason I think Trusts are a great thing, because I have family members who have expressed interest in wanting to play the game but are scared of playing with others/want to play at their own pace/don't have the motor function.

I wouldn't mind the easy difficulty for casual content if the jobs weren't so damn boring in it though, and that's the crux of my issue I think - the design direction is "the engagement comes from the encounters, not the jobs" but that's paradoxical to how XIV is designed - a majority of the content in the game isn't endgame content, so for players who do like to optimize and challenge themselves, they're cut off from enjoying a majority of the content in the game. If jobs were engaging, I'd want to do casual content more. There's nothing worse than loading into something from Stormblood's MSQ or Heavensward's MSQ on SCH when helping friends and thinking "if this was back during Stormblood I'd be more engaged than I am now." and that makes me not bother doing it unless I'm helping friends.

[Ilisidi]

so for players who do like to optimize and challenge themselves, they're cut off from enjoying a majority of the content in the game.

That's a minuscle part of the player base, they majority of the people who play hard content just look up the one true rotation, the proven and true guides for the fights and then just use automatic assistance to get told what they are doing wrong or outright helped during the fight.

The miraculous "but you could do it in Excel" is often brought up, but how often do people actually go that hard and tedious way instead of just the easy and lazy way.

You made the hard parts of the game easy for yourself because hard was too hard, now don't come and cry for the easy parts of the game to bmade harder.


And the teens aren't the ones with the nice big budget to spend on the game.

[Mosha]

That's a minuscle part of the player base, they majority of the people who play hard content just look up the one true rotation, the proven and true guides for the fights and then just use automatic assistance to get told what they are doing wrong or outright helped during the fight.

The miraculous "but you could do it in Excel" is often brought up, but how often do people actually go that hard and tedious way instead of just the easy and lazy way.

You made the hard parts of the game easy for yourself because hard was too hard, now don't come and cry for the easy parts of the game to bmade harder.


And the teens aren't the ones with the nice big budget to spend on the game.

that's kind of inevitable people tend to optimize and then streamline pretty much everything and anything to make things more efficient and easy. that isn't even a community thing but a human one.

[Nizzi]

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Your entire post has literally nothing to do with what I wrote. You know that optimization is trying to do things optimally, right? When jobs aren't engaging, I'm not going to do content that isn't engaging - aka normal easy content because I play this game to have fun, actually.

You made the hard parts of the game easy for yourself because hard was too hard, now don't come and cry for the easy parts of the game to bmade harder.

I literally said I think the MSQ being accessible is good. Don't accuse me of doing anything when you aren't even replying to what I'm saying and just going off on some irrelevant random tangent.