MSQ Difficulty and Exclusion

[TaleraRistain]

While I mostly agree, I'm still going to judge SQEX a bit on this one.

I know folks who only just got to level 80, who would really like their Resistance relics (because pretty weapons!), but who have found there isn't enough population in Bozja now for them to complete things like Castrum Lacus Litore or Delubrum Reginae. And I think having rewards tied to that content that people coming along later will want, but no other way to keep the content alive is at least mildly problematic once the initial waves are past; as you yourself note, people got the rewards and then noped out because there was some other newer reward they now wanted to grind towards -- or because they went "Okay, got my stuff, now I'm going to take my break and go play Other Game for a couple of months until the new raid tier drops." or whatever.

And while Discords like Primal Forays and Eurekan Explorers and whatnot exist—and I've directed the folks I've encountered to those sort of resources—someone trying to just do that content in the game is not necessarily going to know to go look for those.

So I do think SQEX could demonstrably do a little better at future-proofing some things here and incentivizing people to keep the older stuff alive for the newer players following along behind us: add weekly challenge log entries for critical engagements, put Delubrum Reginae into Wondrous Tails, make some of these sort of things give current capped tomestones if you run them with a level-capped character, etc.

I mean, they demonstrably know this does keep older content alive, because they incentivize specific instances of older content in that way already with Wondrous Tails, as well as incentivizing filling whatever older content needs people with daily roulettes.

It's just particularly unfortunate that the content which is poorly incentivized and so sort-of dies off happens to also generally be the best candidates we currently have for "the intermediate step(s) between the difficulty of the MSQ and that of higher-end stuff like savage".

I'm really hoping these last two expansions have made it crystal clear to them that artificially propping these zones up with a highly desired weapon instead of making them places that people actually want to go to and do things in is not an effective way at all to future proof their content.

I'll compromise on adding DR to WT if they put it in, say, the PvP section. Or let it hog a trial option. We have plenty of those. I would be salty af if it used up an alliance option.

[Packetdancer]

I'll compromise on adding DR to WT if they put it in, say, the PvP section. Or let it hog a trial option. We have plenty of those. I would be salty af if it used up an alliance option.

I dunno; I could go for it replacing an alliance if it took the place of the Crystal Tower raids. Alliance roulette is already unbalanced in favor of them enough as it is, we don't need to incentivize them further. And at this point, I would take anything that gets me out of having to do yet another run of the Crystal Tower raids. Delubrum. Baldesion Arsenal. Anything. Please.

[TaleraRistain]

I dunno; I could go for it replacing an alliance if it took the place of the Crystal Tower raids. Alliance roulette is already unbalanced in favor of them enough as it is, we don't need to incentivize them further. And at this point, I would take anything that gets me out of having to do yet another run of the Crystal Tower raids. Delubrum. Baldesion Arsenal. Anything. Please.

My nearly 2 weeks of minimum 40 minute long Nier raids (thank you damage sponge bosses) would like to have a word with you :P

I very rarely see CT where I don't see a sprout message.

I haven't seen what the makeup is the past few days. Been playing the new Octopath Traveler mobile game and spring cleaning so I haven't been doing roulettes when I hopped in. I'm hoping to see more Void Ark given the requirement for the Tataru quests. I hardly ever see Void Ark unless it's on my WT bingo card and I queue directly.

[VelKallor]

So I do think SQEX could demonstrably do a little better at future-proofing some things here and incentivizing people to keep the older stuff alive for the newer players following along behind us: add weekly challenge log entries for critical engagements, put Delubrum Reginae into Wondrous Tails, make some of these sort of things give current capped tomestones if you run them with a level-capped character, etc.

I mean, they demonstrably know this does keep older content alive, because they incentivize specific instances of older content in that way already with Wondrous Tails, as well as incentivizing filling whatever older content needs people with daily roulettes.

It's just particularly unfortunate that the content which is poorly incentivized and so sort-of dies off happens to also generally be the best candidates we currently have for "the intermediate step(s) between the difficulty of the MSQ and that of higher-end stuff like savage".

1000% agree.

It also makes it harder when later on you feel like going back to do it for the fun of it..and its a ghost town.

[Packetdancer]

I can tell from your ignorant tirade that you don't have the first clue about what Parkinson's is like. My condition is centered in the brain. Getting emotional in any way and that includes becoming excited, triggers a response that causes my entire body but more specifically my limbs and hands, to start shaking uncontrollably. It can also be triggered by physical exertion, even small amounts, such as carrying a full cup of water. Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit more on topics before you post opinions on them.

To be fair, in ForteNightshade's defense, if there was mention of Parkinson's earlier in the thread on some previous page, I know I overlooked it; I honestly didn't realize the "shaking like a leaf" in your post was a reference specifically to Parkinson's as opposed to a dramatic way of saying that the Titania trial was impossibly imposing to tackle. And I say this as someone who is very familiar with Parkinson's.

(My dad has it -- progressed far enough that it's begun to affect his memory and concentration, and there are significant restrictions on the situations in which he's allowed to drive an automobile -- and I am at high risk for it later in life; I have a lot of motive to make sure I'm well-educated on it, both to be a supportive daughter and to be prepared in case it's something I eventually need to deal with personally as well.)

So I'm definitely sympathetic to how hard that can make things, and the challenges it can present. And you are absolutely in no way obligated to share that sort of thing with people; your health (and any challenges stemming from such) are entirely your own business, and you owe folks on some random internet forum no explanations, nor is it your responsibility to educate folks.

But that said... lacking those explanations, I think it's also slightly unrealistic to expect folks to draw the conclusion that the phrase "shaking like a leaf" in a post specifically references a neurological condition like Parkinson's, as opposed to just being a dramatic way of describing being upset by the duty.

After all, folks on this forum, myself included, are sometimes prone to waxing eloquent -- or at least, utilizing highly melodramatic turns of phrase -- when writing posts here.

[Eraden]

To be fair, in ForteNightshade's defense, if there was mention of Parkinson's earlier in the thread on some previous page, I know I overlooked it; I honestly didn't realize the "shaking like a leaf" in your post was a reference specifically to Parkinson's as opposed to a dramatic way of saying that the Titania trial was impossibly imposing to tackle. And I say this as someone who is very familiar with Parkinson's.

(My dad has it -- progressed far enough that it's begun to affect his memory and concentration, and there are significant restrictions on the situations in which he's allowed to drive an automobile -- and I am at high risk for it later in life; I have a lot of motive to make sure I'm well-educated on it, both to be a supportive daughter and to be prepared in case it's something I eventually need to deal with personally as well.)

So I'm definitely sympathetic to how hard that can make things, and the challenges it can present. And you are absolutely in no way obligated to share that sort of thing with people; your health (and any challenges stemming from such) are entirely your own business, and you owe folks on some random internet forum no explanations, nor is it your responsibility to educate folks.

But that said... lacking those explanations, I think it's also slightly unrealistic to expect folks to draw the conclusion that the phrase "shaking like a leaf" in a post specifically references a neurological condition like Parkinson's, as opposed to just being a dramatic way of describing being upset by the duty.

After all, folks on this forum, myself included, are sometimes prone to waxing eloquent -- or at least, utilizing highly melodramatic turns of phrase -- when writing posts here.

I sympathize with your situation. I truly do. I would not wish this condition on anyone else. That being said, I had repeatedly indicated in this thread that I have a disability and had even indicated at the start of this thread that it was specifically Parkinson's. It is up to those who respond to my posts to do proper due diligence before responding.

[Packetdancer]

I sympathize with your situation. I truly do. I would not wish this condition on anyone else. That being said, I had repeatedly indicated in this thread that I have a disability and had even indicated at the start of this thread that it was specifically Parkinson's. It is up to those who respond to my posts to do proper due diligence before responding.

Fair enough! I know when a thread has had a lot of churn and gone on for several pages -- especially if it's been several days since you last caught up on the thread, or you come to the thread late and end up on a later page more quickly -- it can be easy enough to overlook things. (Witness that I apparently did while skimming the thread to catch up!)

But if you'd already shared that earlier in the thread -- if you'd provided that context, and had every reason to think the reader thus has the necessary context to interpret the post -- then yeah, that does sort of put the onus of reading the situation correctly on the reader.

[Iscah]

Titania might not seem like a big deal now, but the battle was a huge stumbling block when the content was new. Wipes all round and parties would get stuck half-full as people dropped out, refusing to continue.

Also, while the starburst was technically "not new" it acted differently to the Mist Dragon's attack, and in any case that is another battle that can still go very messily.

[Reinha]

I recently did almost the whole last boss encounter in the level 87 dungeon with me as PLD and a melee. The other 2 members died. It should not be possible to clear a boss without a healer. If requiring healers (and other jobs) to cast spells in MSQ duties would exclude that small number of disabled people with such severe conditions that they cannot cast spells on demand, that's ok in my view. There are plenty of movies and TV series that aren't designed to be interactive.

[Supersnow845]

I recently did almost the whole last boss encounter in the level 87 dungeon with me as PLD and a melee. The other 2 members died. It should not be possible to clear a boss without a healer. If requiring healers (and other jobs) to cast spells in MSQ duties would exclude that small number of disabled people with such severe conditions that they cannot cast spells on demand, that's ok in my view. There are plenty of movies and TV series that aren't designed to be interactive.

Fun fact ignoring just bosses you can run the entire damn dungeon without a healer