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    BUUUTTT IT IS OPTIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    All good : Diablo Immortal all things in the cash shop are optional - do you want the same concept in FF14 ?
    No and thats the problem. Also "...but the customer wants it.." is not an argument because customers are not the smartest bunch especially in groups.
    "But we need to support the GAME.." is funny and you did fall into the trap of big companys that make the customer their biggest defender. SE has financial success and FF14 is part of that. They earn with FF14 not the biggest numbers but a steady income that never stops, so its seems. They dont need you. Believe me or better look at the numbers.

    Quick question at end here: How do you gain access to FF14 ? For me it is through payment or i cant play... weird AS IF WE ALREADY SUPPORT THEM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    When I saw that we were going from Broil III at 290 potency in ShB to Broil IV at 295 potency in EW, I was shaking with how excited I was. I couldn't believe they were so generous with a whole 5 potency. I'm going to probably scream in excitement when 7.0 comes out and Broil V hits 300 potency, playing SCH going to be WILD once it hits 300!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banriikku View Post
    BUUUTTT IT IS OPTIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    All good : Diablo Immortal all things in the cash shop are optional - do you want the same concept in FF14 ?
    No and thats the problem. Also "...but the customer wants it.." is not an argument because customers are not the smartest bunch especially in groups.
    "But we need to support the GAME.." is funny and you did fall into the trap of big companys that make the customer their biggest defender. SE has financial success and FF14 is part of that. They earn with FF14 not the biggest numbers but a steady income that never stops, so its seems. They dont need you. Believe me or better look at the numbers.

    Quick question at end here: How do you gain access to FF14 ? For me it is through payment or i cant play... weird AS IF WE ALREADY SUPPORT THEM.
    These F2P games are a damning indictment of just how bad some of humanity is. Willing to throw money at low quality games for a dopamine hit.

    OP fits into that category that perpetuate unethical and greedy businesses practices. Whilst businesses need to make a profit or at least break even, the only intention these businesses have is of getting rich(er) quick. Not to produce a high quality game and community surrounding it. This is why a lot of indie games have taken off over the last few years as they are made by passionate devs who just want to realise their dream game and entertain people. Some of them flop, some of them do incredibly well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banriikku View Post
    BUUUTTT IT IS OPTIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    All good : Diablo Immortal all things in the cash shop are optional - do you want the same concept in FF14 ?
    No and thats the problem. Also "...but the customer wants it.." is not an argument because customers are not the smartest bunch especially in groups.
    "But we need to support the GAME.." is funny and you did fall into the trap of big companys that make the customer their biggest defender. SE has financial success and FF14 is part of that. They earn with FF14 not the biggest numbers but a steady income that never stops, so its seems. They dont need you. Believe me or better look at the numbers.

    Quick question at end here: How do you gain access to FF14 ? For me it is through payment or i cant play... weird AS IF WE ALREADY SUPPORT THEM.
    Tbh the "to support the company/game" argument when it come to squeenix always felt weird to me, if i spend money it's to get something i want in return, there is no ideology or emotion toward the company behind that.

    Now sure i would love to see everything being available through gameplay, is it realistic though ? I don't think so : why investing ressources in something and make it available in game when you can charge extra money for it ? A good chunk of those item probably wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the cash shop.

    And spare me all those sophism about that disgusting pile of shit that is Diablo immortal, the majority of the con arguments i have read so far are either non constructive condescending bs, off topic or from people with some strange doom prophecy complex. (emphasis on majority because there are still a few of them that are actually interesting to read.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syln View Post
    Tbh the "to support the company/game" argument when it come to squeenix always felt weird to me, if i spend money it's to get something i want in return, there is no ideology or emotion toward the company behind that.

    Now sure i would love to see everything being available through gameplay, is it realistic though ? I don't think so : why investing ressources in something and make it available in game when you can charge extra money for it ? A good chunk of those item probably wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the cash shop.

    And spare me all those sophism about that disgusting pile of shit that is Diablo immortal, the majority of the con arguments i have read so far are either non constructive condescending bs, off topic or from people with some strange doom prophecy complex. (emphasis on majority because there are still a few of them that are actually interesting to read.)
    At this point, just ask Square Enix if you can setup a direct debit into their shareholder's bank accounts. Just cut out the middle man of more micro transactions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elevin View Post
    At this point, just ask Square Enix if you can setup a direct debit into their shareholder's bank accounts. Just cut out the middle man of more micro transactions.
    At that point, you're just blatently disingenuous buddy, as i see it you have some PTSD from another game (probably wow ?) that you have to settle.

    Did you ever managed to convince anyone with that attitude ? Because i seriously doubt so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syln View Post
    At that point, you're just blatently disingenuous buddy, as i see it you have some PTSD from another game (probably wow ?) that you have to settle.

    Did you ever managed to convince anyone with that attitude ? Because i seriously doubt so.
    Lol, maybe you're a little kid who doesn't know anything other than microtransactions, or just ignorant of gaming at large, or maybe even a shareholder of Square Enix...

    I know a few people that are running free trials and doing all they can do before subscribing because even the subscription cost for the game is a lot for them in their countries. And here's you promoting even more gatekeeping of content behind paywalls.

    You disgust me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elevin View Post
    Lol, maybe you're a little kid who doesn't know anything other than microtransactions, or just ignorant of gaming at large, or maybe even a shareholder of Square Enix...

    I know a few people that are running free trials and doing all they can do before subscribing because even the subscription cost for the game is a lot for them in their countries. And here's you promoting even more gatekeeping of content behind paywalls.

    You disgust me.
    Hope you'll overcome this trauma ! :')

    I have not much to say to you anymore, obviously you're stuck in your narrative and are not the kind of guy that like to have a reasonable discussion.
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