Job winrates per region

[Myon88]

Yoship was on meteor playing some CC customs today, and during the stream they shared some slides showing what seems to be job specific winrates.






From top to bottom the four slides are overall, JP, NA, EU.
Jobs are PLD WAR DRK GNB, WHM SCH AST SGE, MNK DRG NIN SAM RPR BRD MCH DNC BLM SMN RDM

Going by the title I assume it's just from the general pool of ranked games, and I believe the bottom text says data from mirror matches was excluded.

[Sigma860]

Top job is Scholar and worst is White Mage? How...

[Myon88]

Top job is Scholar and worst is White Mage? How...

There is a phenomenon in these kinds of things where jobs that are difficult, or regarded as weak are avoided in general. You end up with a disproportionate amount of that job's users being confident, skilled players which ends up boosting the winrate of that job. Conversely, newer players might flock to jobs like WHM or WAR that acquired a good reputation early on, and then proceed to tank the winrate for that job because they're still inexperienced players at the end of the day.

This doesn't necessarily mean SCH isn't good or WHM isn't weak, but it's a factor to consider.

There's a lot of nuance that needs to be considered when it comes to stats like this. Which is why as others have said, ideally you would have the playrate data for each job as well to get a better idea of what's going on.

[Sigma860]

There is a phenomenon in these kinds of things where jobs that are difficult, or regarded as weak are avoided in general. You end up with a disproportionate amount of that job's users being confident, skilled players which ends up boosting the winrate of that job. Conversely, newer players might flock to jobs like WHM or WAR that acquired a good reputation early on, and then proceed to tank the winrate for that job because they're still inexperienced players at the end of the day.

This doesn't necessarily mean SCH isn't good or WHM isn't weak, but it's a factor to consider.

There's a lot of nuance that needs to be considered when it comes to stats like this. Which is why as others have said, ideally you would have the playrate data for each job as well to get a better idea of what's going on.

Thanks for the big-brain reply, mate. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

[Deceptus]

Win rate is meaningless without the Pick-Rate numbers to go along side it.

[Petite]

There is a phenomenon in these kinds of things where jobs that are difficult, or regarded as weak are avoided in general. You end up with a disproportionate amount of that job's users being confident, skilled players which ends up boosting the winrate of that job.

I was thinking that exactly. Climbing on my RPR alt, I noticed SCH really isn’t popular with lower ranked players. They most likely don't understand it and/or don’t find it flashy enough. Meanwhile, we have a couple high skilled SCHs here on Primal doing very well for themselves.

Adding to this fact, I feel people are sleeping on SCH the most out of the job roster:

• Constant -10% damage debuff aoe DoT;
• Their DoT’s "fluff damage" wastes the enemy's mana and passively helps your teammates down focus-targets;
• Mummify puts a ton of pressure on targets being focused;
• Expedient can be active 1/3rd of the time. Your DoT’s -10% damage debuff to the enemy and the -10% damage taken buff to your team add up to a net -20% damage taken which is pretty damn saucy;
• Their LB is surprisingly strong when fights turn into mosh-pits around the crystal. (The LB’s startup should be shortened though).
• Learn the secret ninjutsu technique of buffing yourself with +10% dmg Adlos + Expedient and make your enemies wish their parents weren't anti-vax.

SCH does have a good kit that synergizes with itself when played correctly. Also, it’s probably the most chill job to play out there because your focus isn't about carrying, but supporting your team more than any other job.

Damn, discussing SCH just now has made me want to give it a spin when I get home later.

Edit: Played it, 8/10, would recommend.

[Deceptus]

I was thinking that exactly. Climbing on my alt RPR, I noticed SCH really isn’t popular with lower ranked players. They most likely don't understand it and/or don’t find it flashy enough. Meanwhile, we have a couple high skilled SCHs here on Primal doing very well for themselves.

But more importantly, I feel people are sleeping on SCH the most, hence why their win-rate is so surprising:

• Constant -10% damage debuff aoe DoT;
• Their DoT’s "fluff damage" wastes the enemy's mana and passively helps your teammates down focus-targets;
• Mummify puts a ton of pressure on targets being focused;
• Expedient can be up 1/3rd of the time. Your DoT’s -10% damage debuff to the enemy and the -10% damage taken buff to your team add up to a net -20% damage taken which is pretty damn saucy;
• Their LB is surprisingly strong when fights turn into mosh-pits around the crystal. (The LB’s startup should be shortened though).

SCH does have a good kit that synergizes with itself when played correctly. Also, it’s probably the most chill job to play out there because your focus isn't about carrying, but supporting your team more than any other job.

Damn, discussing SCH just now has made me want to give it a spin when I get home later.

I mean, over on the healer forums:

SCH is worst PvP healer

And then you had a few people understood just how good it is for the reasons you state.

I disagree with the LB assessment. IMHO Seraph is one of the worst limit breaks because of the clunkiness of it. It's stationary and slow to activate. The seraph heals are frankly weak and it's main point is the status effect negation but the problem is it's only a single one and statuses get stacked way to easy in CC PvP.

[Petite]

We lack important info:

- Across was timeframe was the data collected?
- Which ranking tiers were included?
- How many times did each job win or lose to determine their pick-rate?

Until then, making correct assessments using these statistics is borderline useless and misleading.

[Petite]

I mean, over on the healer forums:

SCH is worst PvP healer

And then you had a few people understood just how good it is for the reasons you state.

Yup. A lot of forum dwellers are layman PvPers that come here to vent. They usually lack understanding and will often parrot popular opinions due to that selfsame reason.

I disagree with the LB assessment. IMHO Seraph is one of the worst limit breaks because of the clunkiness of it. It's stationary and slow to activate.

As you said, Seraph definitely needs to activate faster. It would be nice if she could also be moved once like SGE's LB.

Honestly though, I forgot how fast SCH's LB charges which would change my opinion if it's more than 90s. So I'm sorry if I was talking out my ass on this one, but it does feel strong to me when when I watch Roy Razorwind's streams. I need more hands-on experience for sure.