FFXIV - Buried Memory (Poster)

[IkaraGreydancer]

Considering every Ascian story has went from generic Bob Evil (insert number here) to a retconned (and convoluted) sob story, call it a wild hunch. Kingdom Hearts called, they want their Organization XIII back.

Midas already did the Jekyll and Hyde cliche thanks to Bahamut, really. As for abandoning storylines, Bozja says hi.

The kH joke is overplayed dude. Find a better thing to parrot. What was even retconned about the Ascians exactly and how does it all just turn into a sob story? I understand some of you desperately want to turn everything you don't like into a version of KH by disregarding key details but come on...

And while we didn't get to finish it, we DID get a Bozja conclusion via notes. Sorry to say that'd not going to happen with Pande as it's a raid series. If you don't like it skip it.

[Puksi]

The KH joke is probably "overplayed" because it's accurate. In a Famitsu interview, Yoshida and Ishikawa freely admitted the team had zero idea what the Ascians were for except a shallow plot device, clear up to Shadowbringers--at which point apparently the idea became "plot twist: what if bad, but SAD".

Yoshida: “We don’t have detailed lore yet for what the Ascians’ goals are, so let’s just have them be doing bad stuff in the background.”

So, to clarify, the entire time clear through Stormblood, the only thing they knew was Ascians were Bob Evils in a bog-standard plot, wearing black hooded robes like the other convoluted Square property. For the first three expansions of this game, there were deeper villains in SatAM cartoons. Heart Of Sabik? Never heard of him. Ascian Prime? Rule of cool. All the Ascians of the cups and saucers and kitchen sinks and whatnot? Who knows? Not the writers!

Which is probably why Yoshida expressed surprise that anyone analyzes the "details" of the Ascians now, and the long-vaunted Zodiark was an underwhelming trial boss.

Beating the dead Sundered horse for fanservice works for some, obviously. I'd rather they get on with the brand new stuff they've been hyping up. I don't care what new reason Lahabrea has for doing what he did, just like the writers themselves didn't care when he actually did it.

[IkaraGreydancer]

The KH joke is probably "overplayed" because it's accurate. In a Famitsu interview, Yoshida and Ishikawa freely admitted the team had zero idea what the Ascians were for except a shallow plot device, clear up to Shadowbringers--at which point apparently the idea became "plot twist: what if bad, but SAD".

Yoshida: “We don’t have detailed lore yet for what the Ascians’ goals are, so let’s just have them be doing bad stuff in the background.”

So, to clarify, the entire time clear through Stormblood, the only thing they knew was Ascians were Bob Evils in a bog-standard plot, wearing black hooded robes like the other convoluted Square property. For the first three expansions of this game, there were deeper villains in SatAM cartoons. Heart Of Sabik? Never heard of him. Ascian Prime? Rule of cool. All the Ascians of the cups and saucers and kitchen sinks and whatnot? Who knows? Not the writers!

Which is probably why Yoshida expressed surprise that anyone analyzes the "details" of the Ascians now, and the long-vaunted Zodiark was an underwhelming trial boss.

Beating the dead Sundered horse for fanservice works for some, obviously. I'd rather they get on with the brand new stuff they've been hyping up. I don't care what new reason Lahabrea has for doing what he did, just like the writers themselves didn't care when he actually did it.

None of what you said translates to KH (sorry but black robes is quite a shallow reasoning). But all in all like I said, skip it if you don't like it.

[Puksi]

Thirteen bad Square randos popping here and there mysteriously to "do bad things" while clad in black hooded edgelord robes sure doesn't sound at all like the other thirteen bad Square randos popping here and there mysteriously to "do bad things" while clad in black hooded edgelord robes, lmao.

The only difference is the KH writers probably had more of an idea where they were going with it. But hey, at least you dropped the claim the Ascians weren't retconned to the moon and back since, you know, they were.

I'll criticize writing I find lacking AND play the game, thanks. Especially when story is supposed to be a major point of playing.

[TaleraRistain]

I think that's Athena in the doorway and I've thought since we found out about Erich that she's Igeyorhm.

And I was really hoping since it's called Pandaemonium that we'd see Mateus' Light Emperor/Dark Emperor aspect come into play. Mateus is my favorite villain next to Kefka.

I also saw someone on Twitter compare Mateus' symbol with the way everyone is presented on this and it matched pretty well.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I think that's Athena in the doorway and I've thought since we found out about Erich that she's Igeyorhm.

And I was really hoping since it's called Pandaemonium that we'd see Mateus' Light Emperor/Dark Emperor aspect come into play. Mateus is my favorite villain next to Kefka.

I also saw someone on Twitter compare Mateus' symbol with the way everyone is presented on this and it matched pretty well.

Never know, he may have a part in the 2nd or 3rd portion. Considering we have Golbez, why not?

[TaleraRistain]

Never know, he may have a part in the 2nd or 3rd portion. Considering we have Golbez, why not?

I just hope they don't make one version normal and one version Savage. I hated how they did that with Kefka.

[hagare]

Newsflash, the website got updated

[TheMightyMollusk]

Huh. Is that Sidurgu, Leveva, and Estinien fighting Good King Moogle Mogg?

[SannaR]

Huh. Is that Sidurgu, Leveva, and Estinien fighting Good King Moogle Mogg?

That's what it looks like. They did say they were going to be changing it a bit. So if it is those NPCs then Estinien and Sidugru get to share in their dislike of moogles.