Fun: Healer Rework Ideas

[Katish]

Below emulates maxed level skill lists ( > =combos into or is a shared button| >>=upgrades / changes under burst )

WHM skills:
Aero III
Aquaveil
Assize >> Condemn
Bellflower
Benediction
Cure
Cure III
Earthquake
Flow
Flower >> Tidal Wave
Glare
Ground
Holy
Hurricane
Natured Regen
Natured Flood
Nature Shift
Overflow
Prayer
Presence of Mind
Raise
Regen
Temperance >> Indulgence
Thin Air >> Breeze


AST skills:
Ascend
Aspected Benefic
Aspected Helios
Aspected Malefic
Astrodyne
Celestial Conjuction
Celestial Intersection
Celestial Opposition
Collective Unconscious
Combust III
Divination
Earthly Star > Stellar Detonation
Essential Dignity
Fall Malefic
Horoscope
Gravity II
Lightspeed
Major Arcana > Minor Arcana >> Macroarcana > Microarcana
Macrocosmos > Microcosmos
Neutal Sect
Redraw
Sleeve Draw
Synastry
Winding Fate

SGE skills:
Apoptosis >> Krasian Apoptosis
Bdelugma >> Krasian Bdelugma
Diagnosis > Eukrasian Diagnosis
Dosis III >> Krasian Dosis
Dyskrasia
Egeiro
Eukrasia > Krasia
Haima
Holos
Icarus
Ixochole
Kardia
Kerachole
Panhaima
Phlegma
Physis
Pneuma
Prognosis > Eukrasian Prognosis
Ptosis >> Krasian Tosis
Rhizomata
Soteria
Taurochole
Toxikon
Zoe


SCH skills:
Aetherflow
Aetherpact
Art of War
Biolysis
Broil V
Chain Stratagem
Deployment Tactics > Consolation
Dissipation
Energy Drain
Eos Icon > Seraph
Excogitation
Expedient
Fey Blessing >> Seraphic Blessing
Fey Illumination
Physick > Adloquinn
Protraction
Recitation
Ressurection
Ruin 2 >> Scotch
Sacred Soil
Seraphic Cascade
Battle Winds >> Seraphic Winds
Succor
Whispering Dawn >> Angel's Whisper

[Katish]

I tried to aim for 24 buttons per healer to make way for more additional skills if they were to be added, i.e make it more flexible. (Preferably unique gimmick/attack skills so healers can be unique from one another).

[IDontPetLalas]

I'm a bit limited in terms of what I can add at the moment, personally I'm not a fan of
- the split between "support" and "DPS" healers
- insisting on 24 buttons for all of them - why?
- a number of the skills (names, animations)- again, that's a personal choice, an equal number of people could really like them
- a number of skills that have been removed
- too many proc skills in some cases

If I could pick one I would really want more improvement - it would be AST. Yes I see some positive changes but the change to CU makes no sense to me, and most changes are to buffs, which really doesn't improve much for that job. I would not want a skill that teleports people to me when (a) I already have rescue and (b) there are already enough complaints with rescue and (c) another skill where, as in your CU the AST needs to stationary? no thanks . Winding fate is - another way to buff. So overall for AST, I don't see that (for me) I don't see that the goal of doing more and being more interesting would be achieved.

[Katish]

- insisting on 24 buttons for all of them - why?

This was to remove button bloat and make way for new skills that are more unique to what they contribute...I removed skills that do the same job basically. A sort of future proofing...this ironically also makes it easier on controllers.

- a number of the skills (names, animations)- again, that's a personal choice, an equal number of people could really like them

I do understand that, that is why this would be a rework and not just a normal change.

- a number of skills that have been removed

See above.

- too many proc skills in some cases

Only classes with procs are whm and ast. The only proc class that would really need to pay attention would be the whm, ast does have the prock in its cards but it would use it less due to how macroarcana would function.

If I could pick one I would really want more improvement - it would be AST. Yes I see some positive changes but the change to CU makes no sense to me, and most changes are to buffs, which really doesn't improve much for that job. I would not want a skill that teleports people to me when (a) I already have rescue and (b) there are already enough complaints with rescue and (c) another skill where, as in your CU the AST needs to stationary? no thanks . Winding fate is - another way to buff. So overall for AST, I don't see that (for me) I don't see that the goal of doing more and being more interesting would be achieved.

Unfortunately the game already sees AST and SCH as utility I would be acting to improve that but give them a window they can damage, same with SCH which would be during a burst phase. Also, that skill is not a requirement for the AST to achieve their damage the example provided is just what they can do...the damage provided would be solely your party members and be useful when you need to mitigate and stop doing damage, the damage buff to the party would make up the AST's damage. CU can still be canceled if need be it just gives the AST more options. I will review if you any suggestions. =]

[IDontPetLalas]

This was to remove button bloat and make way for new skills that are more unique to what they contribute...I removed skills that do the same job basically. A sort of future proofing...this ironically also makes it easier on controllers.

I do understand that, that is why this would be a rework and not just a normal change.

See above.

Only classes with procs are whm and ast. The only proc class that would really need to pay attention would be the whm, ast does have the prock in its cards but it would use it less due to have macroarcana would function.


Unfortunately the game already sees AST and SCH as utility I would be acting to improve that but give them a window they can damage, same with SCH which would be during a burst phase. Also, that skill is not a requirement for the AST to achieve their damage the example provided is just what they can do...the damage provided would be solely your party members and be useful when you need to mitigate and stop doing damage, the damage buff to the party would make up the AST's damage. CU can still be canceled if need be it just gives the AST more options. I will review if you any suggestions. =]

I'm not objecting to any healer having utility skills, I'm objecting to a job being overloaded with utility skills as you propose with AST , not to mention with some skills that are redundant and could potentially be used for griefing - i.e. the one that is similar to rescue. Sorry, when I look at the skill list I just don't find it very interesting, I find the PVP changes work far better and somehow each healer has its own identity with far less skills. Plus, to be honest, I don't see any benefit from changing skill names, I would find it more annoying than anything to have to re-learn all 4 healer names (again- that's just me- and doesn't mean that your names aren't good- I HATED the sage names- but I got used to them)

[Katish]

I'm not objecting to any healer having utility skills, I'm objecting to a job being overloaded with utility skills as you propose with AST , not to mention with some skills that are redundant and could potentially be used for griefing - i.e. the one that is similar to rescue. Sorry, when I look at the skill list I just don't find it very interesting, I find the PVP changes work far better and somehow each healer has its own identity with far less skills. Plus, to be honest, I don't see any benefit from changing skill names, I would find it more annoying than anything to have to re-learn all 4 healer names (again- that's just me- and doesn't mean that your names aren't good- I HATED the sage names- but I got used to them)

And that is fair in terms of utility but the utility added is to reward the self also extra damage, there is little griefing, it would play similar to bard. The utility skills would be used once and then refreshed under macroarcana similar to how bard refreshes their DoT with one skill, the only time needed to push that button would be when it is needed, or if you wanted to combo into its finisher. Some skill would be required, yes, but I think it would make the class much more interesting imho. And as for pvp, I think it's more interesting because there are less redundant skills which was the purpose of sizing down.

[IDontPetLalas]

And that is fair in terms of utility but the utility added is to reward the self also extra damage, there is little griefing, it would play similar to bard. The utility skills would be used once and then refreshed under macroarcana similar to how bard refreshes their DoT with one skill, the only time needed to push that button would be when it is needed, or if you wanted to combo into its finisher. Some skill would be required, yes, but I think it would make the class much more interesting imho. And as for pvp, I think it's more interesting because there are less redundant skills which was the purpose of sizing down.

1- Personally, I am not at all a fan of bard design, for that reason I haven't levelled it. I would not want any similar design applied to AST.

2- I still think that you misunderstood my comment regarding Celestial Conjuction which should be "Conjunction" - that is the precise skill that I see as being not only niche, also possibly becoming open to abuse AND if a dungeon was designed FOR it - it could be meta.
3- I don't see a really more interesting rework
4- PVP managed to not only reduce skill bloat but maintain useful skills and preserve unique identity among the healers. While there could be a good case for needing to have more or different skills in PVE than PVP, I don't see as engaging a mix of skills here.