Thread: Changes to Savage with 6.2

Originally Posted by Kaurhz

How do you figure? Doesn't the tome weapon require several weeks' worth of additional items from the normal mode counterpart? 4 weeks' worth to be exact.

The X tomestone item that you exchange the actual weapons for drops in the 2nd turn of the raid tier, and the item to upgrade that drops in the 3rd turn.

Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

It's also amusing you say non-existent dps checks when both E8s & E12s (E8s especially) had relatively tight ones to the point most world racers were struggling on E8s's one. The first tier is always underbalanced due to no EX weapons and wanting people to get used to changes in their jobs on new expansion, then the 2nd & 3rd tiers up the ante. And if you're not talking about week 1 kills/world racers then this whole tome thing is irrelevant, since it's the only set of groups that this would affect the most in terms of making things easier.

So ill break it up since you are mixing up a few things

- first tier of a expansion is always underbalanced, I disagree the jobs aren't balanced, same way in e4s ast and nin were gutted and not up to par with mnk and drg. It's not the fight which are underbalanced it's the jobs that aren't balanced towards each other performance. this tier it would be pld versus other tanks, white mage being behind on healers, mnk being ahead of other jobs while ninja was behind again, smn for casters and mch for ranged jobs.

- your A point: there was always a decision you had to make for yourself as a static do we take time to get ex weapons or do we just ignore it. All the time you would ignore it even in e8s, e12s. But you had to make a choice. Now there is no choice you farm the ex weapons beforehand to go into savage as there is nothing else to do. By this point you have already +1 wpndmg and 9 vit then in the past.

- your B point: Sorry I don't remember the last time I actually bought a tome weapon for clearing savage content. You don't need it so I never bothered with it. Anyway you feed your dps gear as much as possible anyway so I don't see where this one was going.
But just assume it's more vitality anyway so again making dropping the dmg down. atleast the healing side of things, I haven't felt a challenge as a healer in well forever even in DRU, it's just oh you have mitigation congratulation you pass. A real hard healing check with continual damage, honestly I don't remember one maybe titan e4s and then only the last phase. In DRU I felt more like oh right they've made akh morns edge go faster then the internal gcd of lily or panheima so you every hit doesn't trigger but then on the shockwave when saving estinien they completedly ignored that part.

Originally Posted by Hypn0tyk

Each raid team can also get an i630 tome weapon before p8s if the tomes come out a week early.

You make a good point here aswell.

Originally Posted by Kazhar

If tomestone and crafting gear aren't released the same day as savage we will be officially in unknown territory. So, maybe they slightly increased week one savage difficulty too?.

This game in savage just seems to be getting easier and easier over time.

Originally Posted by MrSigy

- your A point: there was always a decision you had to make for yourself as a static do we take time to get ex weapons or do we just ignore it. All the time you would ignore it even in e8s, e12s. But you had to make a choice. Now there is no choice you farm the ex weapons beforehand to go into savage as there is nothing else to do. By this point you have already +1 wpndmg and 9 vit then in the past.

Considering that farming 10 totems took at tops, 3 ish hours both times my group did it for our week 1 clears on the Eden tiers, the choice is extremely obvious for 99.9% of groups. Save yourself potential <1% wipe headaches for a 3hr investment. The only groups this choice is a big consideration for is when they're going for World 1st, where every hour counts.

and to be technical, you always have the choice. Just convince your static not to farm them 'for the challenge'.

That, and I think you're once again severely underestimating how much health those pieces are giving you. 9 vit is 219 HP (for ranged), or an increase of 0.04% Health. When most raidwides week 1 on the last fight are designed to just straight up 1-shot without mit or shields by doing 120%+ of the average max HP, that 219 HP is effectively invisible. Damage variance alone is +/- 5% and would have 10x more impact if someone survived or not than the HP ever could. The extra HP that weapon adds is basically invisible outside of extreme niche cases, it's not making things 'easier to survive' in any discernible way, shape or form. Early weeks of savage is all about the mitigation & shields.

Originally Posted by MrSigy

- your B point: Sorry I don't remember the last time I actually bought a tome weapon for clearing savage content. You don't need it so I never bothered with it. Anyway you feed your dps gear as much as possible anyway so I don't see where this one was going.

Because now its a valid option week 1 by making the dps check easier in the event we have a Shiva 2.0, and is the only actual thing that is even a point of discussion about making Savage easier when it comes to this, since the extra defense/HP is basically invisible.

Originally Posted by MrSigy

I haven't felt a challenge as a healer in well forever even in DRU, it's just oh you have mitigation congratulation you pass.

Welcome to Final Fantasy 14 boss design, enjoy your stay. It's never been about reactionary skills or RNG, it's been always about learning the song and dance of mechanics, mitigation & OGCD heals, then executing the same song and dance consistently. Every Savage & Ultimate since Creator has been designed this way, with the occasional 'hey, lets spam tons of damage at the end of the fight to keep healers occupied'