Delete Ninja from PvP

[SenzorialBoundries]

Anyone who says pvp is balanced has never played any other pvp ever. Sure its very fun but the balancing of the jobs is..i rather not use too strong of a word. You have ninja with 75% slow, 4s stunlock, execute untargeted mobility which means its also a disengange, self heal self shield with no condition/downside and ranged attacks and on the other side you have dark knight that kills itself to do actual dmg and gunbreaker that has...well nothing.

[RyuDragnier]

Anyone who says pvp is balanced has never played any other pvp ever. Sure its very fun but the balancing of the jobs is..i rather not use too strong of a word. You have ninja with 75% slow, 4s stunlock, execute untargeted mobility which means its also a disengange, self heal self shield with no condition/downside and ranged attacks and on the other side you have dark knight that kills itself to do actual dmg and gunbreaker that has...well nothing.

You're not being too truthful. The slow, the stun, the self heal, the self shield, AND all the ranged attacks save for the shuriken are all Mudras. You can only use 2 of them at any given time, and in most cases you're not touching the slow, the heal, or the shield. You're touching either the ice daggers or the stun, because it's more important to KILL your target quickly. Hell, I'd argue that all the other Mudras are downright useless for that exact reason in CC.

[Dreadz]

You're not being too truthful. The slow, the stun, the self heal, the self shield, AND all the ranged attacks save for the shuriken are all Mudras. You can only use 2 of them at any given time, and in most cases you're not touching the slow, the heal, or the shield. You're touching either the ice daggers or the stun, because it's more important to KILL your target quickly. Hell, I'd argue that all the other Mudras are downright useless for that exact reason in CC.

You can hold a Mudra for 10secs and it has a 15sec CD, so just cast huton or meisui the last second and you can engage fights with a 16k shield that comes with a combat sprint or 4k potency regen, or give the regen to a teammate. NIN also doesn't have to focus on explicitly getting kills, doton on the point is a complete nuisance and a ranged AoE 4k DoT softens enemies up quite a bit. Let's not forget their fast charging LB that instantly kills anyone below 50%, also acts a gap closer and has a safety net in case you mess up.

[RyuDragnier]

You can hold a Mudra for 10secs and it has a 15sec CD, so just cast huton or meisui the last second and you can engage fights with a 16k shield that comes with a combat sprint or 4k potency regen, or give the regen to a teammate. NIN also doesn't have to focus on explicitly getting kills, doton on the point is a complete nuisance and a ranged AoE 4k DoT softens enemies up quite a bit. Let's not forget their fast charging LB that instantly kills anyone below 50%, also acts a gap closer and has a safety net in case you mess up.

You're rarely going to find a lot of people on a point unless it's at the end of a match in overtime. It's also, IMO, a waste when that mudra could have gone to stunning somebody to allow your team to burn them down. In CC if you're not using your mudras to go for a kill, you're likely doing it wrong. Remember, a dead enemy is gone for around 15-20s (depending on distance from their spawn), which is long enough to turn the tide of battle in your favor. Whereas that Doton and Goka are not going to kill multiple enemies, and the time you're waiting for your mudras to return may have given them enough time to LB and turn the tide against your group.

As for the LB, it charges the same speed as the other melee DPS, but is weaker. Yes, it can 1-shot people under 50% health, but latency can and will mess you up here. If they heal before the move registers they went under 50%, it won't kill them and will do less damage than most of your attacks. If they kill you before the animation finishes, you will lose the LB and your target will live. If they stun/poly you in the middle of the LB, your animation won't go through and the target will live while you lose the LB. The LB has a lot of counters to it.

[Dreadz]

You're rarely going to find a lot of people on a point unless it's at the end of a match in overtime. It's also, IMO, a waste when that mudra could have gone to stunning somebody to allow your team to burn them down. In CC if you're not using your mudras to go for a kill, you're likely doing it wrong. Remember, a dead enemy is gone for around 15-20s (depending on distance from their spawn), which is long enough to turn the tide of battle in your favor. Whereas that Doton and Goka are not going to kill multiple enemies, and the time you're waiting for your mudras to return may have given them enough time to LB and turn the tide against your group.

As for the LB, it charges the same speed as the other melee DPS, but is weaker. Yes, it can 1-shot people under 50% health, but latency can and will mess you up here. If they heal before the move registers they went under 50%, it won't kill them and will do less damage than most of your attacks. If they kill you before the animation finishes, you will lose the LB and your target will live. If they stun/poly you in the middle of the LB, your animation won't go through and the target will live while you lose the LB. The LB has a lot of counters to it.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't disagreeing with your initial point, I was just arguing against the claim that besides Raijuu and Hyosho, all the other ninjustu aren't worth using. They're situational sure, but using them well can be game savers, especially during overtime.

Regarding the LB, almost all of the problems you listed affect a ton of other job's LBs, I mean, you can die to MCH LB in the middle of DRG's LB. NIN's LB though, has a safety net, something no other LB has in the entire mode. So even if you get screwed over by the terrible tick rate, there's still a chance for you to recover AND the LB starts after the initial use, so can build LB while getting chain kills.

[AnnRam]

After investing enough time in this current PVP patch (Frontlines mostly) the Meisui +Huton combo needs to go completely its cancer, they enter in god mode and nothing will kill them, I saw Nins with barely any BH and they still get away even if they get locked in MNK LB twice and 4 people hitting them at the same time, the healing its too much that negates any burst damage.

Now Huton actually negates the Chain Saw 3% insta kill, if the NIN get hits while Huton its on CS only deals 32k damage (basically half of the nin HP) this not happen if MNK/Reaper have their defensive tools uptime.

[RyuDragnier]

Now Huton actually negates the Chain Saw 3% insta kill, if the NIN get hits while Huton its on CS only deals 32k damage (basically half of the nin HP) this not happen if MNK/Reaper have their defensive tools uptime.

GOOD, that 3% insta kill needs to go die in a fire. Nobody likes a RNG insta-death ability in PvP.

[Nikoto]

If Huton blocks the shitty 3% chainsaw then I think they should give everyone huton all the time.

[AlanJust]

This class is not balanced for any 1v1.

It's not a melee it's a ranged job.
The entire class needs to rebalanced and reworked as in the current form it should just be illegal and there needs to be a wall build between every non-ninja and ninja.
You should not be able to duel a ninja, you just should not win.

CC with ninja should just be 5 ninja's versus 5 ninja's.
it is not balanced, it's lb is broken, the movement speed they get is stupid.
The shields they get is stupid.
The dot they have is too strong as I said before it's not a ranged job it is supposed to be a melee, why does it have a dot in the first place.

I agree with everything you said.
I play Ninja in CC and I am too OP.
I can actually 1 shot people solo.
I am way too fast for my own good, I am so fast I can't even play the game myself as I hardly see where I'm going.
I only ever struggle against other Ninjas.
I actually won some matches with my eyes closed and while playing with me toes.
I am actually a ranged class, don't let anyone fool you.

I don't think Ninjas should be able to queue into CC at all.

Please forgive me whoever got KO'ed by me in CC.

[Bissonnettzi]

I hope they rework it into something more entertaining than a shuriken chucking 50% health executioner. Make it a big bursty ambusher or something i dunno