We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Haventale]

I’m just going to say that this backlash against advice people keep saying happens, I’ve only ever seen from forum user’s attitudes. I’ve been playing since 4.2, I have never once seen any kind of retaliation against advice from people who are ACTUALLY playing the game. If I did see this and have forgotten, then it was blatantly so utterly rare that I’ve forgotten, and thusly, isn’t an actual widespread mentality. People just don’t act this way in game in reality. This is a forum conjured rivalry, not a real one.

[Padudu]

I’m just going to say that this backlash against advice people keep saying happens, I’ve only ever seen from forum user’s attitudes. I’ve been playing since 4.2, I have never once seen any kind of retaliation against advice from people who are ACTUALLY playing the game. If I did see this and have forgotten, then it was blatantly so utterly rare that I’ve forgotten, and thusly, isn’t an actual widespread mentality. People just don’t act this way in game in reality. This is a forum conjured rivalry, not a real one.

Have you seen TalesFromDF/FFXIVDiscussion? Btw, I've experienced it at least a couple times myself lol. I know the subreddit is actually particularly insular at times, but it's by no means a rare occurrence at all. I also don't think it's incredibly frequent. I have personally myself called out leechers and have received flak for it by other players.

[Semirhage]

I’m just going to say that this backlash against advice people keep saying happens, I’ve only ever seen from forum user’s attitudes. I’ve been playing since 4.2, I have never once seen any kind of retaliation against advice from people who are ACTUALLY playing the game. If I did see this and have forgotten, then it was blatantly so utterly rare that I’ve forgotten, and thusly, isn’t an actual widespread mentality. People just don’t act this way in game in reality. This is a forum conjured rivalry, not a real one.

I've had it a few times, mostly in mentor roulette. The common factor is people blindly queueing extreme trials. Happens the same way every time. They die a few times, I ask if they need mechanics help, they say yes, I start explaining, they read ten words and their eyes glaze over, they say "whatever, that sounds too complicated, just heal us through it" and pull again.

[Xaphire]

I’m just going to say that this backlash against advice people keep saying happens, I’ve only ever seen from forum user’s attitudes. I’ve been playing since 4.2, I have never once seen any kind of retaliation against advice from people who are ACTUALLY playing the game. If I did see this and have forgotten, then it was blatantly so utterly rare that I’ve forgotten, and thusly, isn’t an actual widespread mentality. People just don’t act this way in game in reality. This is a forum conjured rivalry, not a real one.

Verbal backlash isn't as common as the forums make it seem, but it does happen. I've been hit by the "U dont pay my sub" and the "Whatev just play the game" from people performing poorly. I do try to be polite when I make suggestions or ask for things from other players, but the most common response is silence and no change in play.

The silent players don't stick out in my memory as vividly as the willfully bad players do - not to say that they aren't playing poorly and refusing to learn as well, but they're not talking about it.

[Tlamila]

I've had it a few times, mostly in mentor roulette. The common factor is people blindly queueing extreme trials. Happens the same way every time. They die a few times, I ask if they need mechanics help, they say yes, I start explaining, they read ten words and their eyes glaze over, they say "whatever, that sounds too complicated, just heal us through it" and pull again.

I just wish the game would give a warning as to how extreme trials are endgame content and a serious challenge and not to just blindly queue for them.
Because so many people seem to queue for them like that...

[Semirhage]

I just wish the game would give a warning as to how extreme trials are endgame content and a serious challenge and not to just blindly queue for them.
Because so many people seem to queue for them like that...

To be fair, that's also because NA and JP approach instanced content totally differently. JP uses party finder/static groups to learn fights, then random queues when they already know them. NA sees the random queue and likes the idea of facing fights blind with a group of fellow blind players so the experience is "fresher". The Japanese playerbase doesn't get the mindset of blind random queueing.

[Striker44]

To be fair, that's also because NA and JP approach instanced content totally differently. JP uses party finder/static groups to learn fights, then random queues when they already know them. NA sees the random queue and likes the idea of facing fights blind with a group of fellow blind players so the experience is "fresher". The Japanese playerbase doesn't get the mindset of blind random queueing.

I'm not sure if it was changed in the re-vamp, but at least the ARR-era quests that direct you to the harder versions of trials used to (and maybe still do) explicitly say to complete them using Duty Finder in their quest description. I know for me back in the day, that made me first not even think about PF (as a sprout I wasn't even familiar with how it worked), and then when someone mentioned it existed, it made me question if I'd still get quest credit doing it that way since the quest itself said to specifically use DF. If the description is still like that today, I wonder if it would help reduce instances of DF extremes if the descriptions either didn't specify DF or specifically said "using Duty Finder or Party Finder" to give newer players the reminder/knowledge that PF exists.

[Gararr]

Duty finder is how you que for all content pre-made or not. Even if you make a pf you still que for it via duty finder once full.

.furthermore, I believe the original ex primal came out before PF and also had quests attached to them, while later EX's are 'talk to yoshi-p's over inflated ego in game to unlock' with no quest attached.

[Ilisidi]

The ARR Extremes have the additional issue of staying in your quest log till you manage to get through them. Newer Extremes see their quests completed without having to actually do them. The ARR ones give no hint that the difficulty is not in line with the previous version of the fight now just at higher level and for unlocking you are on a convenient "here let me help you queue" spot. Those trials are in the normal difficulty tab alongside other "hard" content like the level 50 versions of the ARR dungeons.

[VictorSpoils]

The ARR Extremes have the additional issue of staying in your quest log till you manage to get through them. Newer Extremes see their quests completed without having to actually do them. The ARR ones give no hint that the difficulty is not in line with the previous version of the fight now just at higher level and for unlocking you are on a convenient "here let me help you queue" spot. Those trials are in the normal difficulty tab alongside other "hard" content like the level 50 versions of the ARR dungeons.

Some of the dungeons were like that too, where just unlocking them completed the quest, while others required completing the dungeon.