We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Atelier-Bagur]

am i just blessed with good luck? i don't notice these people. i cannot remember the last time a party i've been in has wiped due to anything other than my own mistakes, excluding enrages or dps checks. honestly, not joking, i don't see the bad players, but then again, i also play warrior specifically so i don't need to.

I mean hey, Im in the same boat as you are. I'm generally stunned to read that people here have been running frequently with poor end-game tanks. I dont want to be jerk and not say that the people posting these complaints are just lying or they're exaggerating but I swear Ive yet to run into having tanks whom fail to do their job.

[Supersnow845]

That or they reaaally need to update the Hall of Novice to better teach current roles. I get that the initial trials are made very amateurish as possible for the sake of players whom have never touched an MMO, but it wouldnt hurt to also add in an "advanced" course where they teach you the basic dungeon rhythm and boss tells.

Even the current hall of novice isn’t actually required

[Atelier-Bagur]

Even the current hall of novice isn’t actually required

Yeah, I suppose they wanted to avoid "force tutorials" on players, and honestly the best way to learn how to play your role is to go on to dungeons and just do it and ask questions to your group. Its what I did but really wouldnt hurt to at least update the Hall of Novice just so players cant have an excuse to not wanting to learn how to play this video game.

[Raoabolic]

Yeah, I suppose they wanted to avoid "force tutorials" on players, and honestly the best way to learn how to play your role is to go on to dungeons and just do it and ask questions to your group. Its what I did but really wouldnt hurt to at least update the Hall of Novice just so players cant have an excuse to not wanting to learn how to play this video game.

*Every modern FF game forces me through a long tutoral*
*XIV doesn't even have the hall of novice as a requirement for anything*
That's some big brain thinkin' in SE HQ. lol

[Bukachu]

Even the current hall of novice isn’t actually required

Because some people dont want to do it. personally me for example, I found the whole hall of novice very very boring.

I can see how its useful but forcing it down my throat isnt something I'd want to do as a new player.

[SweetestLily]

Because some people dont want to do it. personally me for example, I found the whole hall of novice very very boring.

I can see how its useful but forcing it down my throat isnt something I'd want to do as a new player.

If that's how you feel, then you better know what you're doing as a new player and have put in the effort to do some research on your class and rotation on your own. And if not don't be shocked when you get a swift boot for being a hindrance to your party. You shouldn't force your bad gameplay and laziness down 7 other people's throats.

[Lieri]

*Only applies to dungeons.

[Zaniel]

I mean hey, Im in the same boat as you are. I'm generally stunned to read that people here have been running frequently with poor end-game tanks. I dont want to be jerk and not say that the people posting these complaints are just lying or they're exaggerating but I swear Ive yet to run into having tanks whom fail to do their job.

In all honesty, without actually being a stats nerd and recording all my runs, as a finger in the wind measure I'd say somewhere around 2%-ish of all roulettes I do will have a tank who either 1) never once uses tank stance, 2) never mitigates, 3) never AOEs and then 1 random lunatic every couple of hundred runs who literally does all of the above + 3 other things all while (I kid you not) dressed in iLvl5 rags in a L60 dungeon. It's clearly not a sea of clowns and mostly experience bias but it's enough to make you eye the tank for that first pull each dungeon.

[Gember]

I agree with all of your post here, but if I can say one reason why this is happening: New people are starting with 4 expansions with 0 waiting time between them to play. If I can give 1 praise to lull periods in Final Fantasy, its that people are practicing their jobs doing whatever content to help fill for their time. I started playing late ShB and when I got up to the current content; there was still some mechanic terms that I didn't know.

I never had time to kind of explore the game and fully understand what the heck is going on. Now after I took a break, I came back with a new character and went through the story again, and then we had this looooong wait until Endwalker dropped. Me as a player has developed a lot during that waiting period. I know there are players who started from ARR, HW, SB, or ShB like myself. I am sure we don't get how some players get through so much of the game's content with so little information since we been here a lot longer.

I really did appreciate the ARR MSQ dungeon revamps because they do introduce the red tank buster icon, running from one aoe to the next, and so forth. Its a nice introduction to mechanics. They are doing the same for Heavensward soon; I truly hope they throw every kind of mechanic in there so players are getting the idea of what is happening because the NPCs are doing it.

I don't know.. I scratch my head a lot on this topic. I've been a healer main in all content including Savage. I have carried a lot of tanks through their dungeons because I just wanted to get through it without any drama. I've only left a handful of times due to reasons like these. Very rarely I would have to report for toxic behavior. I try my best not to if I can help it.

But I do agree; I think it would make the whole community happier if people know what they were doing in later content that has already rinse and repeated mechanics/methods multiple of times throughout the MSQ . SE introduces unique mechanics little at at time; but boy they still use all mechanics going back to ARR all the time. They literally beat that stuff into every player, and then challenges them to do it again in a different or a faster way.

Its baffling that people don't know some of the basic stuffs; but it happens all the time. My only say is keep trying to be helpful so proper information is being spread throughout the community, and hope that SE will keep updating their game where mechanics are naturally taught in the MSQ more often.

[Yeastyloins]

No.

Any video game player base isn't some static thing that gains knowledge after X hours of play or X number of levels.

It gets a bit old explaining infinite cycles to people, but all I can suggest is to think deeply on this: For every expert player that retires from this game, you have one that joins with zero MMO experience. Therefore the player base is constantly morphing into something different. Always.

My dude, modern basketball has been around since something like 1890. Does that mean if you head down to the park right now, all the guys on the court should be pros? Does it even mean that the 30-year-old guy that's been shooting mediocre hoops since he was nine should be any better?

No one can assume with any degree of accuracy how another, random person will perform at any chosen sport, including video games. Not at first glance. You do some research on the person, then maybe. But not at first glance.

OP is asking people to hold the ball with their hands, not shot a 3 pointer every time. Big difference.