We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Striker44]

Why is it such a huge controversy to want your tanks to be the least bit competent in endgame dungeons? We're not asking you to be gods at the game. We just want you to freaking use Rampart once in a while, and not stand in the AOEs, and expect the healer will babysit you the entire way.

That's all.

If that's asking way too much of you as a tank, then you really shouldn't be playing tank.

The issue isn't that. The issue is acting as if it's somehow this epidemic in the game (hint: as numerous posters have attested to, it's actually extremely rare to find a tank at a high level completely unaware how to play), and then going completely nuclear and heading off on an endless rant because you encountered someone somewhere in a game who didn't reach your expectation.

[DaddyHrothgar]

You make it sound like our expectations are exceedingly impossible, but again...we just want them to use mitigations. And I encounter these tanks way too often for it to be a "non-issue".

[RyuDragnier]

It's fairly obvious to tell when they're using mitigations too, as the difference in healing one who uses mitigations and one who doesn't is the equivalent of healing somebody overgeared and somebody undergeared (if neither are using mitigation). There's that much of a difference in the healing required when mitigation is present that you can tell, especially if you are the one healing.

[Supersnow845]

You make it sound like our expectations are exceedingly impossible, but again...we just want them to use mitigations. And I encounter these tanks way too often for it to be a "non-issue".

This is my whole problem with threads like this, people so strongly fight against the idea that we just want people to press reprisal or rampart when they are tanking, or just press stone if there is no healing needed

People would rather tie themselves up in knots attempting to justify crap behaviour then actually try to fix it

[game_enjoyer]

This is my whole problem with threads like this, people so strongly fight against the idea that we just want people to press reprisal or rampart when they are tanking, or just press stone if there is no healing needed

People would rather tie themselves up in knots attempting to justify crap behaviour then actually try to fix it

am i just blessed with good luck? i don't notice these people. i cannot remember the last time a party i've been in has wiped due to anything other than my own mistakes, excluding enrages or dps checks. honestly, not joking, i don't see the bad players, but then again, i also play warrior specifically so i don't need to.

[Atelier-Bagur]

am i just blessed with good luck? i don't notice these people. i cannot remember the last time a party i've been in has wiped due to anything other than my own mistakes, excluding enrages or dps checks. honestly, not joking, i don't see the bad players, but then again, i also play warrior specifically so i don't need to.

I mean hey, Im in the same boat as you are. I'm generally stunned to read that people here have been running frequently with poor end-game tanks. I dont want to be jerk and not say that the people posting these complaints are just lying or they're exaggerating but I swear Ive yet to run into having tanks whom fail to do their job.

[Zaniel]

I mean hey, Im in the same boat as you are. I'm generally stunned to read that people here have been running frequently with poor end-game tanks. I dont want to be jerk and not say that the people posting these complaints are just lying or they're exaggerating but I swear Ive yet to run into having tanks whom fail to do their job.

In all honesty, without actually being a stats nerd and recording all my runs, as a finger in the wind measure I'd say somewhere around 2%-ish of all roulettes I do will have a tank who either 1) never once uses tank stance, 2) never mitigates, 3) never AOEs and then 1 random lunatic every couple of hundred runs who literally does all of the above + 3 other things all while (I kid you not) dressed in iLvl5 rags in a L60 dungeon. It's clearly not a sea of clowns and mostly experience bias but it's enough to make you eye the tank for that first pull each dungeon.