We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Saraide]

Learning to tank well is something that takes people years.

No, it doesnt. Tanking is not that deep. Not in dungeons. Hitting aoes and using mitigation is not something that takes years. The problem in that case is the player just being toxic and arrogant.

[Jeeqbit]

No, it doesnt. Tanking is not that deep. Not in dungeons. Hitting aoes and using mitigation is not something that takes years. The problem in that case is the player just being toxic and arrogant.

Tanking is easy. Being a good tank with good positioning, minimizing movement, not rotating the boss, being able to use aoe mitigation and normal mitigation at the right times, protecting a party member who is about to die, speedrunning efficiently, understanding enmity to grab stray yellows, being confident is another thing entirely.

From my perspective as a tank, I could say that being a DPS is easy because you just press your attacks. Being a good DPS that does good damage, hits positionals, maintains dots and doesn't die to everything is another thing entirely otherwise "seeing damage" and enrages wouldn't be a thing.

Everyone learns at a different pace as well. You can teach the same things to two different people and one of them will take a week and one of them will take months/years. So just because you learn fast doesn't mean that every single sprout does.

You have to remember that many of them play with sub-optimal default settings.

I also find not contributing to be more rude than people who ask others to give their fair share. So if not contributing is rude, why is it not punished? Because SE caters to hyper casuals and does not care about the people who are forced to carry them.

What makes you think they are not trying to contribute? Most of the people who die to every aoe are just new to the content or returning to the game, or they don't know better.

There is nothing wrong with giving them advice, if they are happy to receive it, but it's hard to gain their trust and assess if they want the advice in a dungeon setting. If you have a casual conversation with them after the dungeon and they explain they are returning to the game, you might reach a point in the conversation where giving some friendly advice is the natural response. If you, a complete stranger, just blurt it out mid-pull, it comes across rude.

[Saraide]

Tanking is easy. Being a good tank with good positioning, minimizing movement, not rotating the boss, being able to use aoe mitigation and normal mitigation at the right times, protecting a party member who is about to die, speedrunning efficiently, understanding enmity to grab stray yellows, being confident is another thing entirely.

From my perspective as a tank, I could say that being a DPS is easy because you just press your attacks. Being a good DPS that does good damage, hits positionals, maintains dots and doesn't die to everything is another thing entirely otherwise "seeing damage" and enrages wouldn't be a thing.

Everyone learns at a different pace as well. You can teach the same things to two different people and one of them will take a week and one of them will take months/years. So just because you learn fast doesn't mean that every single sprout does.

You have to remember that many of them play with sub-optimal default settings.

What makes you think they are not trying to contribute? Most of the people who die to every aoe are just new to the content or returning to the game, or they don't know better.

There is nothing wrong with giving them advice, if they are happy to receive it, but it's hard to gain their trust and assess if they want the advice in a dungeon setting. If you have a casual conversation with them after the dungeon and they explain they are returning to the game, you might reach a point in the conversation where giving some friendly advice is the natural response. If you, a complete stranger, just blurt it out mid-pull, it comes across rude.

Why do you always act like we expect everyone to be a god tier player?