We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Cach]

Hopeless newbies and people that start cutting themselves if a run takes an extra 4 minutes deserve each other.

I'm not doing 4-men until the next level cap raise or a close friend needs help. I haven't even bothered to unlock the expert roulette, lol.

[AwesomeJr44]

Hopeless newbies and people that start cutting themselves if a run takes an extra 4 minutes deserve each other.

Honestly, I don't even care if the run takes 8 minutes longer as long as it is a fun experience. In the example I gave in my OP, the dungeon run actually wasn't that long compared to the average, the issue was the content of that time spent.

[Kes13a]

I run a healer main, and even run tanks, but I am a timid tank so I dont play them much since, I prefer healing.

the ONLY expectation I have in duties etc.. is that you repair your gear. I can heal through stupid. and soon will be able to repair people with those kind of issues

played enough with enough randos that I really have no expectations of any kind of skill having seen all types. and thats fine. I will roll my eyes about it after, but having seen every kind of skill level... I dont expect excellence, nor do I stress if its missing. I just enjoy playing the game, and the game includes people who dont try. once you realize that, gaming becomes a lot more fun.. since everyone isnt me, nor should I expect them to be.

[Atelier-Bagur]

After I noticed this, I politely asked the tank to use his mitigation on the dungeon mobs as it was very hard to keep him alive with the way he was playing, that I would 100% be able to keep him alive from an unmitigated dungeon boss tankbuster, and I was thus not having any fun because of having to tryhard to keep him alive.

Not trying to be that guy, because yeah that tank you ran with was just being very unreasonable but isnt trying to keep somebody alive actually considered "fun" for you healers who shout at how bored it is to do 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 during content?

[Deveryn]

Ironic how "111" is so boring, but that's all some people seem to write.


Anyway, lower expectations and you'll have less disappointment in life.

[MilkieTea]

Not trying to be that guy, because yeah that tank you ran with was just being very unreasonable but isnt trying to keep somebody alive actually considered "fun" for you healers who shout at how bored it is to do 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 during content?

So like.

Keeping someone alive while they do their job is fun.

Keeping someone alive by needing to blow through all your resources and then resorting to spamming 11111111111111 in the form of heals? Nah.

[Zaniel]

The OP isn't talking about expecting every player to be a sweaty savage progger, I think it's reasonable to expect basic ability to breath and press buttons. I do Hunts every night and we still lose a dozen people to Eye Doom attacks EVERY night (and these are people I see at the Hunt every night, they literally die to the same mechanic every single night of the week), I don't think it's unreasonable to have learned what a stack marker is by L90. There's a quite small but nonetheless existing minority of people who have absolutely zero, nil, nada ability to function in the game. While we don't rage at them it IS on them to sort themselves out, if they want to participate in the MMO side of things with other people. Also, we're not talking about that guy with slow reflexes because of a medical issue or whatever, we're not talking about someone in Sastasha for their first time (or even HW dungeons) we're talking about the jackass in his post.

If I come across some guy playing a Gunbreaker in a L60 roulette and he says "first time playing tank" I am totally fine with him being a mess.

All the people raising objections are just being contrarian, the OP is talking about expectations that are WAY WAY below even basic competence, that isn't being rude or unreasonable (assuming you aren't being actually rude yourself back).

I do agree that the number of these sorts of players you encounter isn't really that high in any way, but it doesn't alter the fact that it does affect other people and then we're onto the other argument where it's "oh you shouldn't get annoyed". We expect people to be polite in chat because you don't know how you're going to affect someone, this isn't really any different.

[Haruka_R]

How hard is it to move out of a telegraphed aoe smh.

[Jeeqbit]

How hard is it to move out of a telegraphed aoe smh.

Probably harder without legacy controls where you have to turn with your mouse before you can run out of it. A lot of people don't know about this setting and it helps to talk about it in front of new players.

[Deveryn]

How hard is it to move out of a telegraphed aoe smh.

Ask the person that likes to get intoxicated because they think it might help or that plays way too late, when they're clearly tired. Some just have something else going on, whether it's a disability or a random distraction.

I actually saw someone stop dead in the middle of the 2nd boss in Alzadal during the normal reflect mechanic. It seemed odd. They were unresponsive for a good minute. "tech issue" whatever that meant. We moved on and cleared. Things happen, but it's not all worth getting upset about.