We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Sheriyana]

I also never had that happen, but plenty of people have. Ever heard of chances?

But enough times I've been told to "just shut up and play the game" or "who cares about mechanics, just kill" (usually right before wiping).

Or are you trying to say that everybody is this community is super receptive to help and everybody else is just being super rudely forcing advice? Nice one.

This community is so afraid of any sort of confrontation that even the rest of the party will yell at you to shut up or "it's not so serious" or whatever else no matter how bad the person you're trying to give advice to is playing. Not to mention the person themselves getting upset or completely ignore any advice given. Hell I've been reported, or at least threatened with a report (never saw any repercussions) for sticking up for a newbie healer who was struggling with Stone Vigil. The tank got upset and said that my dps was bad, while I was typing to respond to him (go figure...), at least he got a report for that. But yeah, enough bad experiences makes you just want to not bother.

[Rilifane]

I’m so pleased most players don’t share a lot of these views.

“Get good… but don’t you dare ask for help!”

Great forum community as always.

As always with these kinds of topic there will be people that try to subtly or not-so-subtly shift the blame on everyone else.
How are people supposed to know that cooldowns can reduce incoming damage by 20% or 30%? Or that an aoe deals more damage overall on multiple targets than a single target skill would? Or that one heal is superior over another?
It's not like it's written in the tooltops or anything, no. If someone doesn't use mitigation or spams Cure I in Endwalker dungeons or doesn't aoe at 6 mobs it's obviously the fault of the community for not telling these poor, helpless souls. After all, how did the players able to give out advice reach that point? Surely not by... oh, I don't know. Reading tooltips? Using common sense? Doing elementary school math?

And not to mention that most people posting here are quite happy to give advice and help and never said anything about not asking for advice - on the contrary, they encouraged it. They hope people would do it.

Your attempt at trying to shift the blame for someone not doing the bare minimum and pulling their weight onto players that do falls flat at so many levels but sure, keep blaming everyone else for someone not reading a tooltip or someone taking friendly advice as a personal attack.

[Bukachu]

I’m so pleased most players don’t share a lot of these views.

“Get good… but don’t you dare ask for help!”

Great forum community as always.

As someone who's new to the game, I always ask for help, had people explain how to use limit break just yesterday and so far not a single person had any issues with explaining stuff tbh.

[Padudu]

I’m so pleased most players don’t share a lot of these views.

“Get good… but don’t you dare ask for help!”

Great forum community as always.

Also, I want to say, I wouldn't have such a skewered or disingenuous view on people expecting others to know their roles. Because really -- in least in my view -- you should have at least a bit of an understanding at level 70 or above. I don't think that's very unreasonable to expect that people know their roles when they've invested like.. what, 300 hours or so by the HW?

My opinion is that the game is horrible at conveying your progress in your selected job at any given level. The game being easy to steam roll doesn't help with that. People don't think to ask for help because they think they're doing alright. In my experience, people are very happy to give advice, unsolicited or not. Some of them aren't the best at conveying it, but hey, it's the thought that matters (at least to me). I think it's reasonable to expect that older players or more experienced players would be upset that when they do give advice it can be met with a hard, aggressive response. In my opinion I blame the game for essentially never telling you the harsh truth of what you're doing, whether it's good or not.

[Raoabolic]

Also, I want to say, I wouldn't have such a skewered or disingenuous view on people expecting others to know their roles. Because really -- in least in my view -- you should have at least a bit of an understanding at level 70 or above. I don't think that's very unreasonable to expect that people know their roles when they've invested like.. what, 300 hours or so by the HW?

*rolls into town with a level/story skip potion*


That said, I don't see why the devs can't make the level/story skip characters run a small instance gauntlet that teaches the player the basics of their boosted class of choice. I'll even settle for a mandatory Heaven on High. Anything really, lol.

[Padudu]

*rolls into town with a level/story skip potion*


That said, I don't see why the devs can't make the level/story skip characters run a small instance gauntlet that teaches the player the basics of their boosted class of choice. I'll even settle for a mandatory Heaven on High. Anything really, lol.

Yeah that would be a good start I think lol. It doesn't help that people regularly tell newcomers to skip ARR because the story is long and boring for many. I really vibe with the idea that SE should just revamp the job tutorial and make you do in an in-depth one that not only explains your job, gives you the chance to play it and essentially be a visual guide, especially if you're going to buy a class skip too.

Mandatory HoH would be funny lol. I think maybe if the tutorial came with "hard" or "moderately difficult", however you want to define those as, mechanics instead of being another Stone, Sky, Sea, it would be a great start to seeing some improvement. Maybe not all across the board, but it'd help with knowing what the heck your buttons do and seeing the impact it makes.

[Izar_Chillen]

*rolls into town with a level/story skip potion*


That said, I don't see why the devs can't make the level/story skip characters run a small instance gauntlet that teaches the player the basics of their boosted class of choice. I'll even settle for a mandatory Heaven on High. Anything really, lol.

The SGE has a mini tutorial for its job quests

Yet there are some terrible sge players despite this

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The SGE has a mini tutorial for its job quests

Yet there are some terrible sge players despite this

Do they even teach any good habits in that job quest…? I don’t think that job quest ever taught their players to try prioritizing Addersgall more frequently vs deploying barriers that eats their Mana fairly quickly.

[GeminiReed]

I don't think that's very unreasonable to expect that people know their roles when they've invested like.. what, 300 hours or so by the HW?

Did you mean EW? I almost didn't lose my sprout on my alt when I ran from HW to EW because of the /playtime requirement.

Another alt is right at the point in the MSQ to step into Stormblood @ ~155 hours. Another is right before Thornmarch at ~107 hours.

Regardless I think by the time a player has completed HW they should lose their sprout.

[Padudu]

Did you mean EW? I almost didn't lose my sprout on my alt when I ran from HW to EW because of the /playtime requirement.

Another alt is right at the point in the MSQ to step into Stormblood @ ~155 hours. Another is right before Thornmarch at ~107 hours.

Regardless I think by the time a player has completed HW they should lose their sprout.

Nah, I meant HW lol. I may be misremembering my playtime when I played the game myself. :S I took a lot of time just doing sidequests, crafting, exploring, ect lol. I lost my sprout status at ShB, I think.. I want to say I may have been like 700 hours or so into the game at the time. I may be a slowpoke lol.

Also, I would keep sprout status for a bit for the NN. There were a lot, and I mean a lot of things I didn't really know about - content or otherwise - unless I asked the NN. Sometimes the cesspool CAN be helpful..