Easy Mode MP: No Thanks!

[Yves]

So you played since start? Then you must realize that at the start Thm/cnj were awful. Sure they could use the Tranquility buit it only helped so much. Once they ran out of Mp they couldnt do anything. Their damage was crap compared Arc which at the time was the heaviest hitting job and the most stacked job. Then people saw that you could throw almost a whole pt of Lancers and Ifrit and destroy him. Class Stacking will always exist you cant get rid of it. Unless they start making Bosses that change jobs to in the middle of a fight.

Go read two posts ago. I think class stacking is fine. People have the choice to follow it and the choice not to. And yeah, I played at start when THM was the premier healer because of the frontal cone AOE. But while ARC could one-shot most mid-to-high level mobs by stacking three arrows and double-buffing you also have to remember that THM could solo Dodore.

The point is that there will ALWAYS be ways of exploiting/maximizing concepts. You ever solo/duo Great Behemoth before the 80 patch in XI? Yeah, it could be done. Complaining about class stacking is absurd. You could design perfect content and people will still get around it. That is, unless SE implements a "Barbie and Friends" concept where you can only beat content with one of each class which is just an awful idea and will cookie-cutter every fight.

[Delsus]

Complaining about class stacking is absurd. You could design perfect content and people will still get around it. That is, unless SE implements a "Barbie and Friends" concept where you can only beat content with one of each class which is just an awful idea and will cookie-cutter every fight.

So here is what you are now saying "fuck all the noobs who refuse to play ARC WHM BLM or WAR because they don't like them, they don't deserve drops because they don't have THE class leveled"

I went the whole of 1.18 setting into DH about 5 times most because of ARC onry, so excuse me if I hate class stacking, its obvious that you don't want everyone to enjoy content because you think allowing all classes to enjoy content is absurd, wait till we get more content that cuts out your fave class and see if you like class stacking then...

[Yves]

So here is what you are now saying "fuck all the noobs who refuse to play ARC WHM BLM or WAR because they don't like them, they don't deserve drops because they don't have THE class leveled"

I went the whole of 1.18 setting into DH about 5 times most because of ARC onry, so excuse me if I hate class stacking, its obvious that you don't want everyone to enjoy content because you think allowing all classes to enjoy content is absurd, wait till we get more content that cuts out your fave class and see if you like class stacking then...

No, I just don't mind class stacking. If you want to do something a more traditional way with a balanced way it is your responsibility to do it. If you want to play THM in Garuda then it is up to you find people who are cool with it, find times that work for those people, and it is also up to you to learn how to maximize the job in there.

I love playing DRG (pre-patch) and originally nobody wanted it in Garuda because WAR was "better." I wanted to try DRG and so I got together people I knew, told them I wanted to try something different, did it, figured it out and now it works just fine. The same thing happened with people being cautious about replacing WAR tanks with PLD tanks even after the update.

It isn't the responsibility of SE or the community to accept alternatives that have deemed (correctly and incorrectly) "better." If you want to do something then it is up to you and you alone. If you wanted to do DH so badly then why didn't you level other jobs or find another group who was willing? And if you couldn't find them then I suggest that you didn't look hard enough.

[Delsus]

No, I just don't mind class stacking. If you want to do something a more traditional way with a balanced way it is your responsibility to do it. If you want to play THM in Garuda then it is up to you find people who are cool with it, find times that work for those people, and it is also up to you to learn how to maximize the job in there.

I love playing DRG (pre-patch) and originally nobody wanted it in Garuda because WAR was "better." I wanted to try DRG and so I got together people I knew, told them I wanted to try something different, did it, figured it out and now it works just fine. The same thing happened with people being cautious about replacing WAR tanks with PLD tanks even after the update.

It isn't the responsibility of SE or the community to accept alternatives that have deemed (correctly and incorrectly) "better." If you want to do something then it is up to you and you alone. If you wanted to do DH so badly then why didn't you level other jobs or find another group who was willing? And if you couldn't find them then I suggest that you didn't look hard enough.

Now heres the thing, once a strat gets posted it becomes THE way to do it, what I was talking about when I was locked out of DH every linkshell I went to said "you HAVE to go ARC or ogre's AOEs will rape you" this was every linkshell and I did fall out with people over it, believe me I looked and when we failed it was my fault for being LNC, this is why I hate class stacking because it completly locks people out of content and its not just pickups its linkshells as well, however I must add that that my current linkshell does avoid class stacking but I can NEVER condone anything that completly locks people out of content, class stacking requires no skill on the stacked class, and yes this is coming from someone who has reluctantly stacked BLM and BRD on Garuda and its boring as fuck, thunder > thundara > (occasional) thundaga ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

[Yves]

Now heres the thing, once a strat gets posted it becomes THE way to do it, what I was talking about when I was locked out of DH every linkshell I went to said "you HAVE to go ARC or ogre's AOEs will rape you" this was every linkshell and I did fall out with people over it, believe me I looked and when we failed it was my fault for being LNC, this is why I hate class stacking because it completly locks people out of content and its not just pickups its linkshells as well, however I must add that that my current linkshell does avoid class stacking but I can NEVER condone anything that completly locks people out of content, class stacking requires no skill on the stacked class, and yes this is coming from someone who has reluctantly stacked BLM and BRD on Garuda and its boring as fuck, thunder > thundara > (occasional) thundaga ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Yeah, I feel ya. This reminds me of XI when ACP first came out. There were three ways to do it: zerg via SAM stack, zerg via MNK stack, or PLD, RDM/DRK, then the rest SUM or RNG or COR. But I think XIV has been different. Where beating ACP pretty much required one of those setups it is always possible to take a balanced approach in XIV. We ran DH balanced about one week after and it worked just fine (rarely losing.)

But I sympathize with the dilemma you described. While I still believe the onus falls on the player to find/build his own group for different setups I also understand that it can take a ton of effort to find those players. And even after that some of them are bound to be new so teaching them the raid/event can be another challenge.