Easy Mode MP: No Thanks!

[Elexia]

let's start by fixing the game

"Easy Mode MP" would be the start of fixing the game.

then the classes

Really nothing wrong with the classes/jobs at this point, it's still basically the playerbase.

all this class stacking and stuff only happens because the content supports it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=PSwCgchFnvg No, no it doesn't, it's because the community is full of lazy people who want things handed to them than deal with a little challenge.

[Yves]

"Easy Mode MP" would be the start of fixing the game.



Really nothing wrong with the classes/jobs at this point, it's still basically the playerbase.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=PSwCgchFnvg No, no it doesn't, it's because the community is full of lazy people who want things handed to them than deal with a little challenge.

Thank you. Here is a cut and paste from the alt-tab forum:

Now you're getting it! This is what the forums have come to. For every awful idea I see someone seriously post I am going to post an even worse one. The most concerning part is that about half of the people who posted in these two forums actually thought this could be serious.

These forums have divulged into a 3:1 ratio of entitled players asking for nerfs because they themselves didn't start at launch and suffer through all the crap we did and believe they should have the same gil, status, experience, etc. as those of us who stuck it out. You don't get to reap the harvest if you didn't sow the fields. What's even worse is that a lot of these horrible requests are actually just asking for the crop without even doing the reaping!

And to prove one final point, these forums are pretty much swill now. I have never seen such bile and venom from people who think they're being clever and are too ignorant to actually differentiate between an idea that is so absurdly ludicrous that it can't be true and a really bad idea that someone suggests. Personal attacks on the internet? Yeah, that's this generations telephone toughguy.

[KoujiGeki]

Thank you. Here is a cut and paste from the alt-tab forum:

Now you're getting it! This is what the forums have come to. For every awful idea I see someone seriously post I am going to post an even worse one. The most concerning part is that about half of the people who posted in these two forums actually thought this could be serious.

These forums have divulged into a 3:1 ratio of entitled players asking for nerfs because they themselves didn't start at launch and suffer through all the crap we did and believe they should have the same gil, status, experience, etc. as those of us who stuck it out. You don't get to reap the harvest if you didn't sow the fields. What's even worse is that a lot of these horrible requests are actually just asking for the crop without even doing the reaping!

And to prove one final point, these forums are pretty much swill now. I have never seen such bile and venom from people who think they're being clever and are too ignorant to actually differentiate between an idea that is so absurdly ludicrous that it can't be true and a really bad idea that someone suggests. Personal attacks on the internet? Yeah, that's this generations telephone toughguy.

So you played since start? Then you must realize that at the start Thm/cnj were awful. Sure they could use the Tranquility buit it only helped so much. Once they ran out of Mp they couldnt do anything. Their damage was crap compared Arc which at the time was the heaviest hitting job and the most stacked job. Then people saw that you could throw almost a whole pt of Lancers and Ifrit and destroy him. Class Stacking will always exist you cant get rid of it. Unless they start making Bosses that change jobs to in the middle of a fight.

And just wait and see how useless Thm/Blm will be for Titan or Ramuh. Cause that Easy Mode MP wont matter for the fire spells which suck awy Blm mp. and once again lol ice

[Yves]

So you played since start? Then you must realize that at the start Thm/cnj were awful. Sure they could use the Tranquility buit it only helped so much. Once they ran out of Mp they couldnt do anything. Their damage was crap compared Arc which at the time was the heaviest hitting job and the most stacked job. Then people saw that you could throw almost a whole pt of Lancers and Ifrit and destroy him. Class Stacking will always exist you cant get rid of it. Unless they start making Bosses that change jobs to in the middle of a fight.

Go read two posts ago. I think class stacking is fine. People have the choice to follow it and the choice not to. And yeah, I played at start when THM was the premier healer because of the frontal cone AOE. But while ARC could one-shot most mid-to-high level mobs by stacking three arrows and double-buffing you also have to remember that THM could solo Dodore.

The point is that there will ALWAYS be ways of exploiting/maximizing concepts. You ever solo/duo Great Behemoth before the 80 patch in XI? Yeah, it could be done. Complaining about class stacking is absurd. You could design perfect content and people will still get around it. That is, unless SE implements a "Barbie and Friends" concept where you can only beat content with one of each class which is just an awful idea and will cookie-cutter every fight.

[Delsus]

Complaining about class stacking is absurd. You could design perfect content and people will still get around it. That is, unless SE implements a "Barbie and Friends" concept where you can only beat content with one of each class which is just an awful idea and will cookie-cutter every fight.

So here is what you are now saying "fuck all the noobs who refuse to play ARC WHM BLM or WAR because they don't like them, they don't deserve drops because they don't have THE class leveled"

I went the whole of 1.18 setting into DH about 5 times most because of ARC onry, so excuse me if I hate class stacking, its obvious that you don't want everyone to enjoy content because you think allowing all classes to enjoy content is absurd, wait till we get more content that cuts out your fave class and see if you like class stacking then...

[Yves]

So here is what you are now saying "fuck all the noobs who refuse to play ARC WHM BLM or WAR because they don't like them, they don't deserve drops because they don't have THE class leveled"

I went the whole of 1.18 setting into DH about 5 times most because of ARC onry, so excuse me if I hate class stacking, its obvious that you don't want everyone to enjoy content because you think allowing all classes to enjoy content is absurd, wait till we get more content that cuts out your fave class and see if you like class stacking then...

No, I just don't mind class stacking. If you want to do something a more traditional way with a balanced way it is your responsibility to do it. If you want to play THM in Garuda then it is up to you find people who are cool with it, find times that work for those people, and it is also up to you to learn how to maximize the job in there.

I love playing DRG (pre-patch) and originally nobody wanted it in Garuda because WAR was "better." I wanted to try DRG and so I got together people I knew, told them I wanted to try something different, did it, figured it out and now it works just fine. The same thing happened with people being cautious about replacing WAR tanks with PLD tanks even after the update.

It isn't the responsibility of SE or the community to accept alternatives that have deemed (correctly and incorrectly) "better." If you want to do something then it is up to you and you alone. If you wanted to do DH so badly then why didn't you level other jobs or find another group who was willing? And if you couldn't find them then I suggest that you didn't look hard enough.

[Delsus]

No, I just don't mind class stacking. If you want to do something a more traditional way with a balanced way it is your responsibility to do it. If you want to play THM in Garuda then it is up to you find people who are cool with it, find times that work for those people, and it is also up to you to learn how to maximize the job in there.

I love playing DRG (pre-patch) and originally nobody wanted it in Garuda because WAR was "better." I wanted to try DRG and so I got together people I knew, told them I wanted to try something different, did it, figured it out and now it works just fine. The same thing happened with people being cautious about replacing WAR tanks with PLD tanks even after the update.

It isn't the responsibility of SE or the community to accept alternatives that have deemed (correctly and incorrectly) "better." If you want to do something then it is up to you and you alone. If you wanted to do DH so badly then why didn't you level other jobs or find another group who was willing? And if you couldn't find them then I suggest that you didn't look hard enough.

Now heres the thing, once a strat gets posted it becomes THE way to do it, what I was talking about when I was locked out of DH every linkshell I went to said "you HAVE to go ARC or ogre's AOEs will rape you" this was every linkshell and I did fall out with people over it, believe me I looked and when we failed it was my fault for being LNC, this is why I hate class stacking because it completly locks people out of content and its not just pickups its linkshells as well, however I must add that that my current linkshell does avoid class stacking but I can NEVER condone anything that completly locks people out of content, class stacking requires no skill on the stacked class, and yes this is coming from someone who has reluctantly stacked BLM and BRD on Garuda and its boring as fuck, thunder > thundara > (occasional) thundaga ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

[KiriA500]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=PSwCgchFnvg No, no it doesn't, it's because the community is full of lazy people who want things handed to them than deal with a little challenge.

I don't really think it's because people are "lazy." I personally like doing Ifrit/Moogle with tons of THM/BLM because after 50+ attempts and having nothing to show for it, I don't care about the fight. I want it done ASAP. I'll still run it with any class, but I generally would prefer to run it with what makes the fight easiest/shortest. I'm not afraid of "difficult content" either, I just don't care about making the fight more difficult every single time, when I get absolutely nothing to show for it at the end.

[Yves]

I don't really think it's because people are "lazy." I personally like doing Ifrit/Moogle with tons of THM/BLM because after 50+ attempts and having nothing to show for it, I don't care about the fight. I want it done ASAP. I'll still run it with any class, but I generally would prefer to run it with what makes the fight easiest/shortest. I'm not afraid of "difficult content" either, I just don't care about making the fight more difficult every single time, when I get absolutely nothing to show for it at the end.

And you know, this is the thing: efficiency. The truth is that in the middle of the day when I have to make, say, a moogle group, I have to use /sh to find a couple of bodies. If I don't know who I'm playing with I am ALWAYS going to go with the setup that yields the highest probability for victory. This is just common sense.

Don't get me wrong - if other people want to do it with all classes, etc. then by all means do so. But me? I'm going to give myself and the people who are with me the best chance for success possible when I don't know who I'm dealing with. Now if the run is 100% or folks I know I really don't mind mixing it up to get other people involved who might be excluded due to stacking strategies.

I also think that the other problem with the class stacking debate is that people who frown on it don't understand that a good portion of the content still requires perfect play with stacking. In fact, some of the stack strategies require more ability and familiarity with one another than a traditional setup. While this isn't always true it certainly applies to some content.