How do you think the devs can improve the Glamour Dresser System?

[Zandread]

Everyone can agree that the Glamour Dresser system needs a lot of work. It's messy and clunky and a pain in the a** to use. Worst of all is the Armoire. I know that you can get job gear from the Calamity vendor, but, why do we need to? Why can't we store it in the Armoire so we can easily use it for glams? It doesn't make sense. All lvl 60/70/80 Antiquated(or otherwise) Job-specific gear should be storable in the Armoire.

[Callinon]

Everyone can agree that the Glamour Dresser system needs a lot of work. It's messy and clunky and a pain in the a** to use. Worst of all is the Armoire. I know that you can get job gear from the Calamity vendor, but, why do we need to? Why can't we store it in the Armoire so we can easily use it for glams? It doesn't make sense. All lvl 60/70/80 Antiquated(or otherwise) Job-specific gear should be storable in the Armoire.

A better question would be: why isn't the calamity salvager's inventory simply accessible from the glamour dresser the way the armoire is? Why does it need to be a separate guy, often in a separate zone, 2 or more loading screens away?

As for generically how to improve the system? I mean.. how much time do you have? The glamour system in FFXIV is a dumpster fire. This is exacerbated by the fact that glamour in this game is really really good and people love it, but then it's mired in this horrible system that sucks fully 57% of the joy out of the whole process (I didn't make that number up, that's science!).

The glamour system is going to boil down to two primary components that make the whole thing work. Collection, and application.

Currently for collection we have the glamour dresser, which is nothing more than a 400-slot inventory that stores basic item and dye data. Bunch of problems with this on its face:

• Limited space, 400 slots isn't even close to enough if this is how we want to do this
• No storage for dyes, have to keep them on a retainer. This also causes issues with creating plates
• Not expandable with new expansions or patches
• 400 slots is seriously not even close to enough

So a few expansions ago, WoW overhauled their own glamour system, and frankly they nailed it. Now WoW's system is a little less sophisticated overall, but the collection aspect they knocked out of the park. Basically every item you bind to yourself, either through quest completion or getting a drop from a boss or whatever; all of these items are entered into a big collection that keeps track of every item you've bound. All of these items are available for glamouring from that moment forward. There're no storage concerns here, no limited space, just a simple yes/no check for whether an item is in your collection or not.

So in addition to this kind of collection system not being dependent on a separate inventory, we've also got the issue of dyes. Now dyes aren't part of WoW's system, and frankly... thank god... it's a mess. Currently dyes have to be stored on a retainer and then brought out piecemeal every time you're making a glamour plate. Couple issues here. First, the dyes should just be currencies accessible when making a plate. I shouldn't have to put my plate together, dye it, then write all those dyes down, go to my retainer, pull the dyes out, go back to the dresser, put the entire plate together AGAIN, and then be done. That's dumb. Fix that.

Glamour plate limits. 15 plates? Seriously? There are currently 18 combat jobs and 11 non-combat classes. About to be 20 combat jobs in a few months. But we get 15 plates?

I should, at minimum, have as many glamour plates as I have gear sets. Every time a class or job unlocks, I should get another one. Plus maybe 5-10 more just because.

Application.. this is a fun one. There's another thread going right now about the issues with applying glamour plates outside of main cities, but frankly I think the excuses for this are weak and borderline lazy design. I get the issues with applying them in actual combat.. that's fine.. I don't need to do that. But any time out of combat should be perfectly reasonable. Maybe not even inside instances. Just out in the world. Here's my main problem. The glamour plate system appears to be doing this:

• Read entire plate
• Loop through plate glamours
• - Apply glamour to indicated slot
• Report completion

It's essentially doing the exact thing I could be doing if I were carrying all my glamours around with me and using prisms to apply them. I can, in fact, DO this currently in the field if I'm willing to tie my inventory up to make it happen. So a glamour can be applied in the field, just not a glamour plate... and they're doing the same thing (or at least appear to be).

I should be able to apply glamours anywhere I want as long as I'm not in combat. Editing glamour plates I'm fine with still being a limited activity, though I'd prefer to be able to do THAT anywhere I want as well... it's fine.. I don't care that much.

Anyway, that'll do for a start.

[Enkidoh]

A better question would be: why isn't the calamity salvager's inventory simply accessible from the glamour dresser the way the armoire is? Why does it need to be a separate guy, often in a separate zone, 2 or more loading screens away?

It's because the Calamity Salvagers were originally meant to be nothing more than an inventory overflow for Legacy players transferring their 1.0 character data into ARR - 1.0 had a larger inventory (200 slots by default instead of 100) so there needed to be somewhere to stick the extra stuff 1.0 players inevitably would have had when starting as their old characters (hence why they're called 'Calamity Salvagers').

Then SE started added extra functions to them, so they now play the part of special vendors, such as recovering special quested gear you may have accidentally thrown away or lost. They're not meant to be a backup for lazy inventory management but more a failsafe id you accidentally lose or misplace the item that you cannot regain anywhere else.

Worst of all is the Armoire. I know that you can get job gear from the Calamity vendor, but, why do we need to? Why can't we store it in the Armoire so we can easily use it for glams? It doesn't make sense. All lvl 60/70/80 Antiquated(or otherwise) Job-specific gear should be storable in the Armoire.

Because the Armorie is not standard item storage at all like your retainer or chocobo saddlebag. How the Armorie works is it literally deletes the gear stored in it, but flags the item to be restored when you want to retrieve it (this is why it resets customizations like Company logos or Spiritbond, it's literally recreating that item from scratch as it's default state). Hence in order to reduce the risk of issues being caused by having too many items stored in it resulting in lost items, SE limits it to only special gear you cannot get anywhere else like from the Mogstation or from special events - AF gear other than the original level 45-50 AF1 set can be gained through simply buying it with the revelant currency from the revelant NPC vendor so as a last resort for lack of storage you're meant to throw the AF away and just buy another set later on. But that's not possible with AF1 so hence it's allowed to be stored in the Armorie.

Using the Armorie for the glamour dresser is simply a means of streamlining things so you don't have to keep going back to the Armorie to retrieve items stored in it to add to glamour plates - it's not meant to be used for all glamour plates, that's pretty clear. I don't see SE changing this I'm afraid.

[Yuletide]

At some point they will rework the glamour system from the ground-up.. But not any time soon, at least not until the pandemic is over. I believe that they will do a remaster of this game at least by the 15th anniversary, or longer if the Ps4 console refuses to die out of popularity.

The main thing holding them back from many great features is that the game has to be cross-platform with PC, PS4, PS5 and soon XBOX.

I know that they want to rework it because I know deep down they really want to allow the user to have glamour dressers in their own home. Currently not possible due to the code involved.

[Anhra]

The only thing i am hoping for the Glamour Dresser is that all the Items stored inside of it, can be used on every job for the sake of glamour only. There are so many great possibilities if you could just mix your favorite pieces including Job armor.
Increased capacity is also always a welcomed change, but having a large variety to choose from just by removing those restrictions would be great.

[ItMe]

How the Armorie works is it literally deletes the gear stored in it,

Hahahaha no way!
I had no idea. That's hilarious.

[Raikai]

• Read entire plate
• Loop through plate glamours
• - Apply glamour to indicated slot
• Report completion

That would be a very handy QoL addition! Toggleboxes to let you use only certain slots of the glamour plate!

Sometimes, I just want a shirt from one place, the shoes from the other... It's actually possible to do this right now, by shuffling your equipment around, but again... a QoL to make that process easier.

As far as the OP goes... It's really hard to fabricate a suggestion without knowing the real constraints about the actual code of the feature. I realized this as soon as they informed that in EW the unused belt armory slots are going to be relocated to other items... So, they can't really just add slots at will? This works for the armoire too?

[Callinon]

That would be a very handy QoL addition! Toggleboxes to let you use only certain slots of the glamour plate!

Sometimes, I just want a shirt from one place, the shoes from the other... It's actually possible to do this right now, by shuffling your equipment around, but again... a QoL to make that process easier.

As far as the OP goes... It's really hard to fabricate a suggestion without knowing the real constraints about the actual code of the feature. I realized this as soon as they informed that in EW the unused belt armory slots are going to be relocated to other items... So, they can't really just add slots at will? This works for the armoire too?

Their code is most likely an eldritch nightmare that would cause insanity if you looked directly at it.

While I sympathize with that, it isn't really my problem as a player and it's a weak excuse when it comes to modification. Your code's a nightmare? Fix it. It's still just code.

The belt thing would seem to confirm that their database structure is of a fixed size. They can manipulate where that space is, but adding more requires extensive modification. Again... this feels like a them problem, not a me problem. Fix it.

[Maquinna]

outside of setting up initial glam plates, once applied, let that glamour be there even if the gear changes. tie it to the char model, not the gear pieces. i think this'd free up resources for the glams.

[Callinon]

outside of setting up initial glam plates, once applied, let that glamour be there even if the gear changes. tie it to the char model, not the gear pieces. i think this'd free up resources for the glams.

You'd end up in a situation where a PLD looks like a WHM. This is something they explicitly don't want happening.