Suggestion: The state of Classes and it's connection with Jobs

[Aragon]

Can't see a good reason to implement this. For one, GLD>PLD use the same framework; fast blad etc that DRK does not. For two, there is no benefit to the proposed system; it doesn't open up space for new jobs or make jobs easier to design, it just clutters the design space.

I liked 2 classes to one job back in the day because it made a job feel like an evolution on a class based on the skills learned from another class. One class two jobs feels like an awkward attempt to shoehorn specs into a game where one can already play all jobs.

It's a naturally imaged concept in which you start off in a class, kinda like school you learn the basics of what a tank is with its basic rotation and then you branch off into multiple Jobs when you leave school.

The aggro AOE for example is something that all tank jobs use each with their own aesthetic and names but they all play the same usage. This Basic rotation will be available at the class level and each Starting City will then in turn have a class based on this role (Tank in this case) once you max that class you now have an option to branch out into multiple jobs with their own advanced rotations, style and aesthetic just like in real life.

A gladiator may take a dark path, discarding his/her shield for a darker style the Dark Knight, or may go the other way and continue to embrace the valor of a Shield and Sword Paladin.

One may argue in semantics like the other, saying what does a gladiator have to do with a paladin? a gladiator fights for sport fame and money that's not a paladin, but if we look past these little nibbles, its easier to grasp.

[SaberMaxwell]

Except I'm not arguing semantics, I'm arguing core gameplay mechanics. Paladin is literally Gladiator+ whereas DRK is a wholly different class altogether.

That's not even getting into how much work it would take. The reason SMN and SCH level together is because job experience and class experience are the same. A level 90 paladin will by default be a level 90 gladiator. To do what you want, they'd need to find a way to de-couple the values.

Meanwhile, without them spending the countless man-hours to implement what you want, you could rp a gladiator that became a DRK yourself. Which falls back to... I don't see the benefit of the suggested change, only the potential costs.

[BRVV]

If cap of classes doesn't interest you than i guess you just want to half the avaible classes / jobs. I read dumb proposals to "fix" the housing crisis but this here OP and your inability to be civilized takes the cake. I'm running in circles? No i have to overexplain everything to you since you don't even get the most simple input correct. Try learning reading comprehension for elementary school students or something.

[Aragon]

Except I'm not arguing semantics, I'm arguing core gameplay mechanics.

I never implied that you specifically were, nor do I recognize us as being in an argument.

Paladin is literally Gladiator+ whereas DRK is a wholly different class altogether.

That's not even getting into how much work it would take. The reason SMN and SCH level together is because job experience and class experience are the same. A level 90 paladin will by default be a level 90 gladiator. To do what you want, they'd need to find a way to de-couple the values.

Meanwhile, without them spending the countless man-hours to implement what you want, you could rp a gladiator that became a DRK yourself. Which falls back to... I don't see the benefit of the suggested change, only the potential costs.

Thanks for the comment, that's a great point about the values and one of the things that does make the difference. Like I mentioned to a previous commenter my first preference is that they remove the class system but we'll see what they have planned for the future.

[BRVV]

Can't engage in conversation? No idea how to argue because you have no ideas? Just throw insults! Now with added indirect threat of murder! Now in use by Aragon! The lame Humanoid character that STILL is salty about not being able to call himself like the LotR character.

[BRVV]

Yeah whatever. "ideas". I got better ones but one that is like yours: Add more shields so Paladin isn't the only one using them after white and black mage basically use them. You are just childish rage and being bland and boring. I regret the people that have to deal with you irl. If i wanted attention i would post in a thread with more then 4 participants.

[Aragon]

Yeah whatever. "ideas". I got better ones but one that is like yours: Add more shields so Paladin isn't the only one using them after white and black mage basically use them. You are just childish rage and being bland and boring. I regret the people that have to deal with you irl. If i wanted attention i would post in a thread with more then 4 participants.

I'm not some clown, I'm not here claiming to be anything funny, if you are so great and think you will get more go post and see how many participants you get then, you think i waste my time here comparing myself to others? All it took was 2 comments for me to get the input feedback i needed, I'm not here for a popularity contest, all it was is a suggestion that isn't even my first preference to begin with, and I replied to whomever accordingly. Also 9 billion people in the world love me because i used your faulty example to make an argument.

Funny thing is i don't even disagree with your shield suggestion just now either.

[BRVV]

1 class for 2 jobs


It's a thought. That's about it. I gave feedback. You rejected it and started throwing insults. If this was about your idea than why did you never actually answer any of my input? "Muh levelcap" and other nonsense to ignore my feedback... really mature.

So you have all the input feedback. Really? What exactly? Will you now pitch this idea. Then what? I mean what if SE would actually ask you directly for your idea. They heard you have new input for the game and want to know what it is. You say your "1 class for 2 jobs" thing and what if they would bring up any of my questions?

[Stepjam]

This is getting a bit heated my dudes.

I will say that if the devs made any changes to classes, it would be to remove them. YoshiP said that he didn't like the class/job system ultimately, so that's why it's been trimmed down to it's current state. I think if they were able to, they'd remove them altogether. But it's kinda ingrained into the current leveling experience and doesn't really hurt anything with as small as it is (and changing it would require re-writing the 1-30 stories), so I don't expect there will be any changes to it.

[Bow2Bau]

There could be changes in 7.0 (maybe) because they have said 7.0 will be a “new” starting point so new players didn’t have to play from 2.0 through 6.xx to start the new story. This “fresh” start in 7.0 might offer a change to jobs/classes because a new player who wants to play a 2.0 job would still have to lvl from 1-90 to start 7.0.

To avoid this, (not counting story and job boost, not everyone wants/can afford them) a change to all jobs might happen. Most likely a lvl squish like in wow and all jobs are unlockable from lvl 1 and you can play that job from 1-new lvl cap while playing 7.0. This would require such major changes to the game, it might eliminate the class system but only Square really knows what the plan is currently soooo who really knows!