Suggestion: The state of Classes and it's connection with Jobs

[Anvaire]

No, this never used to be a thing, im proposing the exact opposite 1 class for 2 jobs, not 2 class for 1 job.

This is exactly how Summoner and Scholar are currently and it was terrible. Back in ARR when this system was first introduced it meant that often scholar would end up overpowered or Summoner under as they couldnt balance one without affecting the other. This is why now Scholar and Summoner skills are all but divorced from each other. Frankly, it just doesnt work. Levelling a job and getting one free brings other problems. In no expansion have i played Scholar. The reason being that i get it for free by playing and levelling summoner. I end up not knowing how to play SCH because I lost the hours of experience that levelling would give. Sure i can read the skills and have done, but i lack the experience of threading them all together. Sure i can spend some time to do this in end game but its a timesync and a detriment drawn directly from the system.

There is an argument to be had around the offshoot jobs - If they do not share anything with the base class, if they have no syergy of skills - then what is the point of the base class at all? I personally hope they rework the base classes into their own Jobs and divorce the GLD > Pld system alltogether. I think this would be the best solution and allow for some more interesting jobs in the long run. Its likely this won't ever happen and instead we would just see the classes removed entirely. or left as a remnant of a broken, ill thought out system.

[Aragon]

This is exactly how Summoner and Scholar are currently and it was terrible. Back in ARR when this system was first introduced it meant that often scholar would end up overpowered or Summoner under as they couldnt balance one without affecting the other. This is why now Scholar and Summoner skills are all but divorced from each other.

I completely agree I would consider them to be implemented as 2 separate jobs, so if they are currently intertwined then i disagree with how its currently implemented if that's the case.

Frankly, it just doesnt work. Levelling a job and getting one free brings other problems. In no expansion have i played Scholar. The reason being that i get it for free by playing and levelling summoner. I end up not knowing how to play SCH because I lost the hours of experience that levelling would give. Sure i can read the skills and have done, but i lack the experience of threading them all together. Sure i can spend some time to do this in end game but its a timesync and a detriment drawn directly from the system.

In this case, your Summoner would be say level 69 and if you go to the 'Arcanist' Guild NPCs you can pick up Scholar at level 30 and have that leveling experience. I think the issue you've expressed points towards a prevalent present system that hands jobs straight at level 80 70 or 90 off the gate having access to higher challenges without even knowing what its about and lacking that experience you mention.

There is an argument to be had around the offshoot jobs - If they do not share anything with the base class, if they have no syergy of skills - then what is the point of the base class at all? I personally hope they rework the base classes into their own Jobs and divorce the GLD > Pld system alltogether. I think this would be the best solution and allow for some more interesting jobs in the long run. Its likely this won't ever happen and instead we would just see the classes removed entirely. or left as a remnant of a broken, ill thought out system.

Yeah exactly this is my preference also if they rework the base classes into their own Jobs and divorce the GLD > Pld system alltogether. I think it's going to be a challenge since there would need to be a starting job for a newly created character, I actually think they may be unable to rid of Classes. I do like the idea of a class our character is born into but it is such a broad idea could be a status symbol, status system, or maybe even related to DOL/DOH.

[BRVV]

I completely agree I would consider them to be implemented as 2 separate jobs, so if they are currently intertwined then i disagree with how its currently implemented if that's the case.

In this case, your Summoner would be say level 69 and if you go to the 'Arcanist' Guild NPCs you can pick up Scholar at level 30 and have that leveling experience. I think the issue you've expressed points towards a prevalent present system that hands jobs straight at level 80 70 or 90 off the gate having access to higher challenges without even knowing what its about and lacking that experience you mention.

1 class for 2 jobs has the same problem if they don't stop at a certain level. Shows that you didn't know that. That is probably why you put Scholar with Conjurer. A shield healer starting as a pure healer.

Yeah exactly this is my preference also if they rework the base classes into their own Jobs and divorce the GLD > Pld system alltogether. I think it's going to be a challenge since there would need to be a starting job for a newly created character, I actually think they may be unable to rid of Classes.

Starting job? We start with A CLASS. You must be trolling! (You brought this line of reasoning in when accidentally mixing job and class terminology)

[Bow2Bau]

Also, here’s where they talk about removing the old lvl up class system to play jobs.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...threads/327879

As for removing classes entirely, YoshiP mentioned it in passing more as a “I wish we could remove them” never an official posting/statement

[Aragon]

Also, here’s where they talk about removing the old lvl up class system to play jobs.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...threads/327879

As for removing classes entirely, YoshiP mentioned it in passing more as a “I wish we could remove them” never an official posting/statement

Again removing the 1 class for two jobs is not what they said and i had made a suggestion about. Rather they had 2 Classes for 1 job its the exact opposite.

Bonus. They also said they will never link 2 jobs to 1 class ever again. Aka, Arcanist, Summoner, Scholar.

Secondly, “I wish we could remove them” is not ''we will remove them'' it means '' I wish we could remove them but we cant''.

thanks for the link.

Look the Fact is they have classes, they have the class system & quests, they don't want to make anymore, they cant remove them. so this is the only way to improve it. It's simple

------------------------- Paladin
Gladiator lvl 1 - 50 <
- ----------------------- Dark Knight

------------------------ White Mage
Conjurer lvl 1 - 50 <
------------------------ Scholar

--------------------- Ninja
Rogue lvl 1 - 50 <
-------------------- Dancer

etc

2 Healers 2 DPS 2 Tank Jobs in each City State. To Start.


They will have 30 jobs in 10 years.

3 City-States.

10 Job quests activated in each city state from 1 of the class Guilds.

[BRVV]

So you're now suggestion that they have new base classes? well welcome to the original point that they haven't been adding them, and it also takes you back to your issue what about people with jobs that had no class but now do? do they get exp for those new classes? the answer is yes obviously and there is no issue with that. Different is now in your suggestion they would have to make a class for each job instead of having the current existing jobs and classes available..

Yes it has the same problems your suggestion has.

The same reason it works now what do you mean, we currently are using the Class system right now there is no difference other then more choice after you level to 30 your class you can choose more jobs i didn't invent the class system.

Having to level a base class for 30 levels = more choices? No you just added more todos. That's it.

In a world with your 2 classes for 1 job idea being used:
Sprout: "Hi. I'm new. I want to play as the Dark Knight! That's cool!"
Mentor: "Silly Sprout! You can't START as Dark Knight! You also shouldn't starting as a Tank. You need to beat the base game and get to Ishgard anyway!"
*Sprout chooses BLM and gets to Ishgard*
Sprout: "Cool! Now i can finally play as Dark Knight!"
*Mentor laughs*
Mentor: "No! You have to unlock and gain 30 Levels as ANOTHER TANK you don't want to play as first! (Maybe even doing the jobquests) AND THEN you can finally start as a Tank that will be around 30 levels under your starting job. So you can level from 30 - 50 for the third time... you know for your 'first' job."

2nd Edit: I saw people complaining that they have to level Rouge, a thief, to become Ninja but Rogue -> Dancer takes the cake. Let me entertain you with my dances after i rob you?

[Aragon]

Having to level a base class for 30 levels

It's ALREADY IN THE GAME, EVERYONE HAS TO GO 1 - 30 and then GETS A JOB no MMO EVER STARTED AT LVL 30.

In a world with your 2 classes for 1 job idea being used:

I'm being trolled at this point,

Ive said MULTIPLE TIMES its the Exact Opposite!!!

ITS 1 CLASS and 2 JOBS.

but Rogue -> Dancer takes the cake. Let me entertain you with my dances after i rob you?

You mean being distracted and then robbed? yeah happens all the time, also dancers/escorts have been used as operatives countless times.

Have you ever played 9 dragon mmorpg?

The dancers are literally the all Female faction the Sacred Flower with same exact Weapons and inspired and has real world inspiration.

[BRVV]

It's ALREADY IN THE GAME, EVERYONE HAS TO GO 1 - 30 and then GETS A JOB no MMO EVER STARTED AT LVL 30.

And here i thought Ishgard jobs start at 30, SAM and Redmage at 50 and so on... weird...

Ive said MULTIPLE TIMES its the Exact Opposite!!!

ITS 1 CLASS and 2 JOBS.

Ah sorry for the mixup. Has the same consequences though. Still forcing players to level other jobs/classes.

You mean being distracted and then robbed? yeah happens all the time, also dancers/escorts have been used as operatives countless times.

Have you ever played 9 dragon mmorpg?

The dancers are literally the all Female faction the Sacred Flower with same exact Weapons and inspired and has real world inspiration.

All dancers are robbers now? Fits great with the lore! *sarcasm*
Also "other game"... great. Can't wait for Jedi job class and space battles. WTF.

[Aragon]

And here i thought Ishgard jobs start at 30, SAM and Redmage at 50 and so on... weird...

Key words JOBS not CLASS all Classes currently start at lvl 1.

Still forcing players to level other jobs/classes.

Dont play the game then, don't play a mmorpg, don't play a mmorpg that literally requires you to level or any other suggestion like go play golden saucer. All of it is already in the game.

All dancers are robbers now? Fits great with the lore! *sarcasm*

Dancers are robbers now? The ones with Weapons are yes, especially Big Wheel weapons, I have a feeling they aren't just dancing.

[BRVV]

Key words JOBS not CLASS all Classes currently start at lvl 1.






Dancers are robbers now? The ones with Weapons are yes, especially Big Wheel weapons, I have a feeling they aren't just dancing.

BUT EVERY DANCER WOULD NEED TO LEVEL ROGUE. THIS IS YOUR SUGGESTION! DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAY?
Clearly you are the troll.

Leveling 1 - 30 Thaumaturge and then get Level 50!!! Redmage is CLEARLY BETTER than starting 50... wtf