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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    many heals cant even manage normal content. If you make healing any more difficult as it is right now, even expert dungeons and nm trials will turn into huge fiestas
    The reason many healers can't manage Normal is because the veterans quit doing that content and all you have left in Duty Finder are the crayon eating Curebots.

    If healing had some challenge and engagement, you'd have actual healers in your groups. If healing is faceroll you only attract players who like being able to do a bare minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    The reason many healers can't manage Normal is because the veterans quit doing that content and all you have left in Duty Finder are the crayon eating Curebots.

    If healing had some challenge and engagement, you'd have actual healers in your groups. If healing is faceroll you only attract players who like being able to do a bare minimum.
    I mean yeah, that's what tends to happen when a game expects not even the bare minimum amount of competency to clear content. On top of that, healers are rewarded with vastly inferior gameplay for playing their role well. So it's only natural that experienced healers move on. There's no depth to explore, or rotations to optimise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    The reason many healers can't manage Normal is because the veterans quit doing that content and all you have left in Duty Finder are the crayon eating Curebots.

    If healing had some challenge and engagement, you'd have actual healers in your groups. If healing is faceroll you only attract players who like being able to do a bare minimum.
    After hitting 90 on all the healers, all jobs really, there is just certain content I Will.Not.Do. anymore because of how bad of an experience it is.

    5/6/7/8 roulette. Terrible rewards for the time invested.
    Trials? Nope.
    MSQ? Definitely not.
    Mentor Roulette as a tank? I don't want an EX today with people who are severely undergeared and un-prepared for that content.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    The reason many healers can't manage Normal is because the veterans quit doing that content and all you have left in Duty Finder are the crayon eating Curebots.

    If healing had some challenge and engagement, you'd have actual healers in your groups. If healing is faceroll you only attract players who like being able to do a bare minimum.
    You also have to take into account how annoying it can get, which deters some vets from even queuing as a healer.

    Trials/raids? Congratulations, your co-healer is crap and you're going to have to hard carry this group who is getting hit by everything.
    Dungeons in general? Congratulations, your tank/dps are horrible and will either get hit by everything and not use cooldowns, or the dps will be so bad to where you're at the top of the DPS chart and can tell (I should not be 2nd aggro in a 90 dungeon, tyvm).
    Mentor? Congrats on getting that EX you never wanted to see again, with a group that's learning how to do the fight via DF instead of PF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katoar View Post
    There is nothing shameful in admitting that you are not very knowledgeable of how healers play out in Final Fantasy XIV. Once you do I would like to suggest that you turn to real players and dedicated healer mains who have spent hundreds of hours playing a role you barely know for feedback and directions.

    We know you have a vision of how you wish or would have liked the healer's gameplay to be. However, the structure of the game does not support in any way that vision. A void is created for those who want to master healing jobs, caused by the incoherence and incompatibility between the vision for the healing role and in-game expectations.

    As time passes it grows. Its influence expands as it starts affecting other jobs aside from healers. At its centre lies the fervent desire to make the game perfectly organised which is achieved by making everything simple, easy, straightforward, predictable, scripted and the same. That desire, once beneficial to the game and its world, now exists to its detriment.
    The hard part about looking to the players for feedback and direction is that you get hundreds of different suggestions most of them contradictory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dionysius View Post
    Play Savage/Ultimate if you want "engaging" contents for healers.
    Ah yes the content you can clear with one healer if you want.

    It’s pretty ironic isn’t it if you think about it.
    Hardest healer content can be done by 1 healer if played well except maybe you get a unlucky stack pattern, but that’s just a forced ability and not a can’t put heal it problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by george357 View Post
    so many angry demanding memes wanting attenion and calling people names if they don't get what they want
    Pretty sure just the word combination green dps gives a lot of slyphies a heart attack.
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    And also we don’t exactly need to meme how boring healer arewhen even middle of the pack healer do 60-80 % dps spells in every run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dionysius View Post
    Play Savage/Ultimate if you want "engaging" contents for healers.
    The problem isn't the content, it's the kit.

    Healers spent 80%-90% of their button presses doing damage and have 3-6 damage spells (One of which you press every 30 seconds, One of which is AE only, One of which is single target only, and the rest are limited by cooldowns or resources)

    On the flip side, they spend 10%-20% of their button presses healing and have 12+ healing abilities

    You see why that doesn't make sense right? If you spend most of your time doing something, that should be the bigger kit or at least more engaging than pressing 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 the whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonKeyh View Post
    The problem isn't the content, it's the kit.

    Healers spent 80%-90% of their button presses doing damage and have 3-6 damage spells (One of which you press every 30 seconds, One of which is AE only, One of which is single target only, and the rest are limited by cooldowns or resources)

    On the flip side, they spend 10%-20% of their button presses healing and have 12+ healing abilities

    You see why that doesn't make sense right? If you spend most of your time doing something, that should be the bigger kit or at least more engaging than pressing 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 the whole time.
    Thank you for writing this.

    I am going to lose it if I have to write this explanation one more time to yet another person who lacks many fundamental skills of a decent healer main player.
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