Cant kill jack in frontlines now (6.15)

[Maps]

The whole fun of Frontlines was that it was a massive slaughterfest paired with the short 5-second respawn timer and absurd LB bursts made it fast and hectic - a true skirmish

Now with the defensive buff changes NONE of my games have leaderboards surpassing 10 KILLS. Its like hitting a boring ass tanksponge + overly long skirmishes due to the myriad of sustain and defensives ALONG with the huge passive %def melees/tanks have gained.

All they needed to do was nerf some of the LB stacks (smn/sch/drg) and it would have been fine. Now its just a game of touch-butt for 20minutes.

[Nikoto]

DRG limit break doesn't need nerfing. If you get hit by it, it's literally only because you're too stupid to guard or you're getting galaxy brain'd.

Also here's a recent game with these changes. That's multiple people with over 10 kills.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...58/unknown.png

[Lacksz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...003479/drk.png

The current situation of Frontline will change in 6.2, that's all I can say.

[SweetPete]

Blame everyone who cried on the forums about summoner, scholar and white mage. Now frontlines are no longer fun. I tried it after the patch went live and it’s terrible now. I barely do damage and it’s no longer fun anymore.

Hopefully this is just a bandaid for whatever they have planned for 6.2

If they keep everyone as tanky as they are now then frontlines might just die off.

[Garten]

Blame everyone who cried on the forums about summoner, scholar and white mage.

Like it's their fault.. are you delusional?
It's Just that ppl suggest things to se.. and then se dont understand sh*t.. like Always..
Don't remember where i read that.. but i am almost sure that the problem se "addressed" with the defence boost is the fact that ppl were lockstunned to their oblivion without even a possibility to escape.. and instead of creating diminishing returns on CCs on frontlines they went the "easy" route of, let's just make everyone almost impossible to kill even in 1vs5..
It's like if i organize a death match and i give some ppl guns and some other shotguns.. ppl with guns come to me saying "it's unfair".. and i Say "you are right, then i'll give everyone "tanks" fight in there.."
Pure insanity..

[Cai]

Please consider reducing the damage reduction changes, my only gripe with Frontlines prior to 6.18 was Bahamut limit breaks wiping out entire groups of people but the tankiness of tanks and melee DPS feels way overtuned. It's not as fun as it was previously and as someone who primarily plays Dragoon the survivability of these classes feels like it went too far.

[WhimsicalPacifist]

It's technically possible to kill (although the kills themselves are at a greatly reduced rate, except maybe for a Ninja), but it requires one of two things. Chain Crowd Control throughout the longer Time To Kill (Monk does this exceptionally well), or a Ninja with LB ready to finish off sub-50% players. I count movement kills (yeeting players off of heights) as a form of Crowd Control. The key choice is whether to kill the opposing melee seeking your own backline or if you can go into their backline.

Personally it feels like nominally backline ranged jobs don't have the burst firepower to threaten melee in the short term and that quite a few are lacking either movement or "keep away" tools to survive longer. It does suck for Machinist in particular which feels exceptionally vulnerable and hit like a wet noodle. I wince every time I see one on my team. Summoner's a little better but not by much.

[Niroken]

What I do as a White Mage considering the massive damage reduction is I run away from Tanks and Melee classes because it's impossible to me to kill them unless they are near death already so I focus on the other classes that didn't get a massive buff in survivability so it feels like I'm actually doing something as, funnily enough, the devs limited my healing capacity and gave everyone the ability to heal themselves in order to increase my damage output. That is perfectly fine and made PvP a lot of fun... until they limited my damage output.

Now I just heal the tanks and melee characters (because Frontlines is now full of them, surprise) and use my stuns only on tanks and melee because it takes like five people to down them so it's much better to chain stun them to death.

[Leonerdo]

It feels like it did before 6.1. At least in big skirmishes with healers around, tanks and melee were hard to kill, so you would pick off any ranged that came too close first. Soloing anyone took a long time unless you had battle high. And some classes (used to be healers, now NIN and tanks) were impossible to kill without focus fire. It's basically the same now, but with more healing on Recuperate and less on healers. Also chain CC is more important for burning down tanks and melee. If they can't spam Recuperate, anyone will still die in 3 seconds after diving into the enemy.

Guard and Purify aren't that strong either, because they have long cooldowns and some LBs can break them. There's a reason DRK/PLD are more popular than WAR/GNB. Because their LBs are the only guaranteed ways to survive in melee range for more than 5 seconds.

NIN is probably an outlier though. Because they get the combined benefit of melee damage reduction, Shukuchi to dash away after Guarding, decent ranged attacks when they can't go into melee, and an LB that can finish off other tanks/melee (even through Guard). So they can poke like a ranged job, tank like a melee, and also do good burst/execute people.

[Naiiki]

Agreed. I love Frontlines, but after these changes, I've been queuing less because it's not nearly as fun to me.