Purge ERP from this game!

[Xylira]

Ya and there are countries who dont give damn about that disclaimer they find Mature content in a teen rated game heads roll..

Such as? Do you have actual examples of this, or just your righteous indignation backing up your claim?

You don't seem to understand that in most cases the rating systems are in no way legally binding. The ESRB and PEGI are non-government, industry run, organizations. The only rating system with some teeth is Austrailia's, which is actually government run, however they also do not consider online interactivity as part of their domain. I suppose China's is pretty strict, but that's a whole different animal as FF in China is run by an entirely different publisher and not relevant to the current conversation of SE run FFXIV.

I'm neither defending nor admonishing ERP, simply giving you facts that the claims you're making have no foundation. Every single prominent rating system does not consider online interaction when handing out ratings.

[NanaWiloh]

Such as? Do you have actual examples of this, or just your righteous indignation backing up your claim?

You don't seem to understand that in most cases the rating systems are in no way legally binding. The ESRB and PEGI are non-government, industry run, organizations. The only rating system with some teeth is Austrailia's, which is actually government run, however they also do not consider online interactivity as part of their domain. I suppose China's is pretty strict, but that's a whole different animal as FF in China is run by an entirely different publisher and not relevant to the current conversation of SE run FFXIV.

I'm neither defending nor admonishing ERP, simply giving you facts that the claims you're making have no foundation. Every single prominent rating system does not consider online interaction when handing out ratings.

The following ARC Principles and Guidelines for Responsible Advertising Practices apply to all “qualifying advertising” for physical games rated by the ESRB. Furthermore, all publishers, co-publishers, licensees, and/or other third parties utilizing ESRB ratings for physical games are legally bound to comply with the guidelines. Failure to do so can result in points, corrective actions, and monetary fines.

From the ESRB themselves in short the DEVELOPER not the ESRB can catch Hell for not making sure the games content meet the rating. I never said the ESRB is responible for mainting a rating the developer is..

[Xylira]

The following ARC Principles and Guidelines for Responsible Advertising Practices apply to all “qualifying advertising” for physical games rated by the ESRB. Furthermore, all publishers, co-publishers, licensees, and/or other third parties utilizing ESRB ratings for physical games are legally bound to comply with the guidelines. Failure to do so can result in points, corrective actions, and monetary fines.

From the ESRB themselves in short the DEVELOPER not the ESRB can catch Hell for not making sure the games content meets the rating.

Once again, online interaction is explicitly not taken into consideration when a game is issued a rating. The rating is only within the realm of the content of the game, not that of the behavior of any users.

These ratings boards do not consider any potential online interaction within the scope of their purview. Period. End of story.

[NanaWiloh]

Once again, online interaction is explicitly not taken into consideration when a game is issued a rating. The rating is only within the realm of the content of the game, not that of the behavior of any users.

These ratings boards do not consider any potential online interaction within the scope of their purview. Period. End of story.

I said the ESRB is not responible. Players and SE are responible for the games content and online interaction.

[Xylira]

I said the ESRB is not responible. Players and SE are responible for the games content and online interaction.

Of course they are, but that 'responsibility' doesn't equate to any legal or financial repercussions like you keep trying to claim.

FFXIV being a teen rated game is only within the scope of the playable content that SE developed. It has nothing to do with what players choose to do within the game itself. Neither does it impose any hinderance, legal or otherwise, that would stop two consenting adults from engaging in lascivious behavior in private channels in the game.

The only thing at stake is the reputation of SE and the game. With regards to that, Yoshi P has come out and stated in a prior live letter that anything done within the game between two consenting adults is not their business so long as it's done in private channels. If it's done in public, or not all parties involved consenting (keep in mind that minors cannot consent), then report it if you see it and SE will take action against the offender/s if they are violating SE's policies. Or if the issue is egregious enough to run foul of real life law, they'll get law enforcement involved.

I get it, you don't like ERP. That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But your opinion is just that, an opinion. You can be upset about it as much as you want, but that won't change the fact that ERP is considered acceptable under specific circumstances. If it happens outside of those circumstances, then report it. Otherwise, it's simply just none of your business and you should ignore it.

[NanaWiloh]

Of course they are, but that 'responsibility' doesn't equate to any legal or financial repercussions like you keep trying to claim.

FFXIV being a teen rated game is only within the scope of the playable content that SE developed. It has nothing to do with what players choose to do within the game itself. Neither does it impose any hinderance, legal or otherwise, that would stop two consenting adults from engaging in lascivious behavior in private channels in the game.

The only thing at stake is the reputation of SE and the game. With regards to that, Yoshi P has come out and stated in a prior live letter that anything done within the game between two consenting adults is not their business so long as it's done in private channels. If it's done in public, or not all parties involved consenting (keep in mind that minors cannot consent), then report it if you see it and SE will take action against the offender/s if they are violating SE's policies. Or if the issue is egregious enough to run foul of real life law, they'll get law enforcement involved.

I get it, you don't like ERP. That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But your opinion is just that, an opinion. You can be upset about it as much as you want, but that won't change the fact that ERP is considered acceptable under specific circumstances. If it happens outside of those circumstances, then report it. Otherwise, it's simply just none of your business and you should ignore it.

Not upset but at all but its illegal in most countries for a adults to engange in sexual online interaction with a minor. Hence why people are punished for ERP in game when reported, two adults are fine but SE does not know which players are adults and minors. So they have to take action against those reported regardless of age.

[MistakeNot]

Hence why people are punished for ERP in game when reported, two adults are fine but SE does not know which players are adults and minors. So they have to take action against those reported regardless of age.

Do you have any evidence at all for that? Or are you just making things up?

[Xylira]

Not upset but at all but its illegal in most countries for a adults to engange in sexual online interaction with a minor.

That was never in dispute, and I even addressed this. Though to expand on this, if you're a parent and legitimately concerned about your kids being engaged by adults in a sexual manner, then I would hope that you're much more concerned with any involvement they might have on social media. I assure you that Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, and Discord are infinitely more dangerous with regards to child predators than FF has or will ever be.

Hence why people are punished for ERP in game when reported, two adults are fine but SE does not know which players are adults and minors. So they have to take action against those reported regardless of age.

Do you have proof of this, because I don't see this to be the case at all from what has been previous communicated by SE. This also doesn't align with the way laws work in most jurisdictions, you need some form of reasonable proof communicated to SE for there to be any liability if they failed to act upon it. That said, those who engage in ERP should be mindful that someone they might engage in these activities with could be underage, in which case they could be opening themselves up to some serious real life legal repercussions.

Again though, none of this actually means that ERP is or should be banned from the game. As I previously stated, Yoshi P has addressed the issue and said that it's acceptable under certain circumstances.