Purge ERP from this game!

[LianaThorne]

If your child is afraid of telling you what they do, then they're not the one who fucked up.

I have no idea what this has to do with taking responsibility for your kids internet habits. Just comes down to:

- If you don't want your kid around sexual stuff then put up parental blocks.

- If you don't want to or don't care enough to then you don't really have room to demand the internet babysit your child for you. That should be your job as a parent to establish rules in your household.

[Merrigan]

I have no idea what this has to do with taking responsibility for your kids internet habits. Just comes down to:

- If you don't want your kid around sexual stuff then put up parental blocks.

- If you don't want to or don't care enough to then you don't really have room to demand the internet babysit your child for you. That should be your job as a parent to establish rules in your household.

Perhaps it would be possible to discuss this with a minimum of nuance?

Parents cannot monitor everything, and it is normal to expect a minimum of decency from the adult population when it comes to children (and therefore to members of society who are still fragile). It's not up to the internet to babysit your child; but it is up to the internet to report embarrassing behaviour. In exactly the same way that if a child gets lost in the street, adults will be expected to take care of them so that nothing happens to them.

And at the same time, one cannot expect an entire medium to be calibrated entirely around the child, knowing that a large proportion of its audience has come of age. Vigilance without censorship, in short. And above all, no puritanical drifts, where everything should be washed, smoothed and polished to be able to welcome the young public.

[LianaThorne]

Perhaps it would be possible to discuss this with a minimum of nuance?

Parents cannot monitor everything, and it is normal to expect a minimum of decency from the adult population when it comes to children (and therefore to members of society who are still fragile). It's not up to the internet to babysit your child; but it is up to the internet to report embarrassing behaviour. In exactly the same way that if a child gets lost in the street, adults will be expected to take care of them so that nothing happens to them.

And at the same time, one cannot expect an entire medium to be calibrated entirely around the child, knowing that a large proportion of its audience has come of age. Vigilance without censorship, in short. And above all, no puritanical drifts, where everything should be washed, smoothed and polished to be able to welcome the young public.

That's all valid. My only point is that if you, as a parent, want to do nothing to educate your kid online and expect the internet to 100% always act appropriately and take your specific child in mind when interacting with others, you're delusional.

Which is how I feel some people in this thread and in previous threads on this topic view the situation.

I've said from the start it's a two way street: adults to avoid engaging with minors and parents to educate their kids on how to stay safe.

[Merrigan]

That's all valid. My only point is that if you, as a parent, want to do nothing to educate your kid online and expect the internet to 100% always act appropriately and take your specific child in mind when interacting with others, you're delusional.

And I fully agree with your last point.

As an aside, regarding child protection in general: the more I read about this topic, the more I am convinced that wanting to erase ERP under the pretext of protecting children is a bad idea. Certainly well-intentioned (or a troll here, but it doesn't matter); but it risks doing more harm than good.

The aggressive ERP has one advantage: it is visible. Thus making it possible for a third party to intervene. Banning it altogether would not make it go away (... If there is one thing that is a cliché for the human species, it is that we always manage to introduce sex, whatever the content). On the other hand, it might make it transition faster in individual homes - or worse, on Discord, where SE has no authority.

And there, good luck protecting the child from these abuses. Excessive puritanism generally results in the comfort of those who feel assaulted by practices deemed deviant - since they can no longer see them. But rarely does it result in effective protection for those affected by the problem.

One cannot regulate a practice that has been forced underground.

[Saraide]

I have no idea what this has to do with taking responsibility for your kids internet habits. Just comes down to:

- If you don't want your kid around sexual stuff then put up parental blocks.

- If you don't want to or don't care enough to then you don't really have room to demand the internet babysit your child for you. That should be your job as a parent to establish rules in your household.

Established rules are good but they have to respect the child as individual who also has a right to privacy which you are extremely violating with installing a keylogger like you suggested earlier. This isnt about caring or not, this is about forcing your child into a surveilance state or being there for them as person of trust and taking a healthy interest in what they are doing in their free time while also respecting boundries. If you dont respect their boundries, what makes you think they will respect the boundries of others?

[LianaThorne]

Established rules are good but they have to respect the child as individual who also has a right to privacy which you are extremely violating with installing a keylogger like you suggested earlier. This isnt about caring or not, this is about forcing your child into a surveilance state or being there for them as person of trust and taking a healthy interest in what they are doing in their free time while also respecting boundries. If you dont respect their boundries, what makes you think they will respect the boundries of others?

When you're under the age of 18, no you don't really. You can have privacy but your parents also have the right to know what you're doing under their roof. This is probably just going to be something we disagree on, this is what I experienced by my own parents growing up and I don't fault them for it. So, that's the last I'm going to speak on this particular point as it's just going to be a brick wall argument.

[Saraide]

When you're under the age of 18, no you don't really. You can have privacy but your parents also have the right to know what you're doing under their roof. This is probably just going to be something we disagree on, this is what I experienced by my own parents growing up and I don't fault them for it. So, that's the last I'm going to speak on this particular point as it's just going to be a brick wall argument.

I am not surprised in the slightest your parents have done this to you.

[LeonKeyh]

Established rules are good but they have to respect the child as individual who also has a right to privacy which you are extremely violating with installing a keylogger like you suggested earlier. This isnt about caring or not, this is about forcing your child into a surveilance state or being there for them as person of trust and taking a healthy interest in what they are doing in their free time while also respecting boundries. If you dont respect their boundries, what makes you think they will respect the boundries of others?

This is right, children DO have a right to privacy, but that privacy doesn't need to include things like the internet. If they want privacy, they can go into their room and be in private. If they want to use the internet, it's a shared computer in a shared location.

There is some nuance here and there's a way to handle it without putting up cameras in the child's room and having an "always open door" policy.

Once they're in high school they can have access to a computer in their room and hopefully they understand the dangers of online predators.