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    It's still a retcon though because of numerous occurances earlier in the game of those without the Blessing but posessing the Echo still being protected - the big one was when Midgardsormr sealed the Blessing and yet the WoL was still protected against tempering as normal.

    Really it was to try and plug the plothole where Emet announced that the Ascians were tempered by Zodiark, despite.. having the Echo themselves, and SE then had to try and write themselves out of that contradiction (this is a problem with writing a story over a long time, keeping metaphysical frameworks consistant in the narrative is never easy and all to often contradictions gradually work their way in, and often retcons are the only way to deal with it, as unsatisfactory as it is). Either way, it just opened more plotholes than it fixed.
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    Last edited by Enkidoh; 07-18-2022 at 12:20 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    My least favorite part was Ahewann's death. That has to be one of the worst cases of cutscene incompetency in any game ever, to the point it actually makes me mad as hell. Not to mention, we finally get a somewhat prominent and important (debatable) aura character and he immediately gets thrown out for no good reason. Meh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehmon View Post
    That has to be one of the worst cases of cutscene incompetency in any game ever, to the point it actually makes me mad as hell.
    Not played bozja through then, I take it? Honestly I don't think it was massively worse than some other examples, at least from a healer/machinist pov. Not intended as an excuse or anything.
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    Everything but the Elpis storyline. Only part I enjoyed about Endwalker so far.
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    The plot about the twin's being "disinherited" going to absolute nowhere?
    I would also say "In from the cold" for the exact same reason as the first, but I had a great laugh because I was glammed up in the chicken suit, so the image of Zenos in a chicken suit wading through the Garlemald cold was hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangiswimming View Post
    The plot about the twin's being "disinherited" going to absolute nowhere?
    That was a subtle one that got lost in the wash. It was always a lie. He never actually intended to disinherit them, he just wanted to stop them from snooping because he could get in real trouble if they found out about the secrets of the Forum. His plan, if the End of Days actually DID happen, was to find them to save them. We know that after the twins were born, Fourchenant "worked like a man possessed" according to Ameliance. If the world was really going to end, he wanted to save his kids. The Loppporits probably had a vague sense of the timeline based on what Hydalaen imparted to them, which is why they made contact the last time they had their 1000 year maintenance.

    I suspect the Forum also knew that Zodiark was actually the only thing stopping the end of the world from happening (again thanks to the moon bunnies), and that's why their official position was one of neutrality toward the Ascians. They didn't want them to succeed in resurrecting Zodiark, but they also didn't want Zodiark to go poof. We all saw what happened. He was the plug in the dam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    That was a subtle one that got lost in the wash. It was always a lie.
    This is exactly what I meant with it going nowhere. The heavy blow that was 5.55 is now rendered to "Aw shucks look at Forchie being dramatic and throwing a tantrum" because the whole "disinherited" thing was just lip service, and everyone knew he a) would never go through with it; and b) never actually did it.

    So all of this twins angst about "opposing father even if they are disinherited" just falls flat. Nobody got disinherited, it was just dramatic posing and secrets. Forchie's angst about trying to save his children even though it could turn them away and the lengths he would go to keep them safe, also falls flat because the lengths never go to his expenses.

    Not that the secrets weren't weighty. But they really had nothing to do with the whole "disinherited" business.
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