Delete Hyurs

[Karowolus]

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Big Whoop, you arrived Early. Want a medal?

The whole reasoning behind the whole 'Modders Do it Better' is what makes it frustrating.

One person.

It's one person who makes each mod. Or maybe a small group, but 9/10 it's a single person putting in some effort and giving a good, finished product.

And we then look at... What is being made by a TEAM. I can understand stuff like Hardware and Engine Limitations. But when it's something as simple as Hairstyles, metadata switches and simple model changes. You have to understand why hrothgar players are irritated with each new patch that comes out.

If Constructive criticism is how Male Viera came about. Maybe I should go the Constructive route and spam the devstreams with something stupid or badger and harass the devteam.

If I feel like I'm being lied to, or am not being told the whole story. Im well within my right to view whoever is telling me whatever as a Liar.

But maybe the reason why so many hrothgar players on PC do mod is because they're unsatisfied.. A silent rebellion of sorts. I don't blame them.

Our feedback is pointing out their screwups. Pointing out what has been done wrong is one of the first steps to finding a solution.

[hagare]

Incase you haven't noticed already....


This is a troll Post. But even then, If the cap fits. Wear it.

Criticism from anybody is valid criticism because that's how a game is improved and worked upon.

This entire thread though goes to show just how Vitriolic some people are over someone having an ounce of criticism, and whilst some people may feel that they are justified... Keep in mind you would get back the same criticism from others if you made a post of 'Delete X Race'.

Why should we deal with getting troll posts over our race if it's not fine to do the same back? A little Hypocritical No? This isn't about taking sides, but this just shows how horrible people can be to others for having a different opinion... In my idea, you should all be ashamed of yourselves. You're all acting like someone quite literally pissed in your cereal.

Infact, this thread goes to show the average reaction to someone having criticism. It's to be bombarded with vitriol and disgust. No wonder people avoid the forums, it's a bloody wildfire here.

this was criticism?

[Lauront]

Obvious trolling aside, I think hyur are a nice option for those who like to play a race that is well rounded and fits almost every job concept (I play almost all jobs equally so that is a very important part for my character to fit into all of them). I just prefer the safe all-rounder route in that case.

For my personal taste at least, I found eleezen too lanky especially their necks, gear on lalafell just looked LQ, too stretched with low textures on Roes, the aura hip and default stance I couldn't get past, the cramped catboi hands I just can'tget over and hunchback hroth I felt bad at their customization options...

The only real contender being closest to hyur is bunboi and they mostly have the aesthetic of emo/kpop idol which just isn't my personal style.

(I could go through all the female versions but after 8+ years of playing, your glamour game usually leans towards one gender at this point and it's just very hard to switch...)

This. I vacillate between midlanders and au ra, as au ra are closer to the buffer body type I like and they have nice faces, but there's some design quirks that can become offputting. I usually love playing elves, and because elezen have design issues, I was hoping they'd make male Viera into a decent wood elf type option, but I'm not happy with their facial hair options (or lack thereof), and the weird height limit. If highlanders had better facial customisation options and smoother animations, I'd consider one, but as it stands, I have 0 regrets playing a midlander, especially with the stubblelander option. We'll see what the future graphics upgrades bring.

And of course the best reason...

Nah bro. Hyurs are made in the image of the Ancients. Clearly we are superior.

[TaleraRistain]

LOL you think I actually look like this in real life. I wish.

[WillIrishclover]

man this is some tasty bait

[Naoki34]

I mean, it's called Final Fantasy. Not Final "Real Life".

Delete Hrothgar, it's called FFXIV not Fury Fantasy.
Delete Lalafell, it's called FFXIV not Potatoes in wonderland.

[Karowolus]

Delete Hrothgar, it's called FFXIV not Fury Fantasy.
Delete Lalafell, it's called FFXIV not Potatoes in wonderland.

Delete Au-Ra. It's called FFXIV not Kobolds R Us.

Delete Miqo'te. It's Called FFXIV. Not Every Isekai Anime Ever

Delete Elezen. It's called FFXIV. Not Hyperextension Simulator

Delete Viera. It's called FFXIV. Not Hugh Hefner's mansion.

Edit.

Forgot Roe. But I think SE are just waiting for a reason to do that anyway.

[Bunnycake]

Delete Viera. It's called FFXIV. Not Hugh Hefner's mansion.

[Midareyukki]

I predate all of the hrothgar threads. I am a veteran viera player. I was among the first to post in MANY of these so called "hrothgar" threads, in SUPPORT of hrothgar updates.

We're really doing this? Viera players did nothing but spam their threads and their livestreams, Hrothgars didn't do anything. Why are you making a big deal about the posts here?

I dare you to tell me that your feedback in here netted anything good. You're just as bad as we are. You were here first? Surely you remember just how much you guys whined for three years. Now, what, we can't do it when WE have actual reason to complain? Far more than you lot, at least you guys got something out of all the whining. And then you have the gall of saying that you "came first"? Going first isn't an indication of anything whatsoever, nor has it done anything for us. That's why we're in this mess to begin with, unlike Viera. And I can tell you right now, it didn't matter worth a damn.

Remind me, how did you get Male Viera again? Was it constructive, well-thought out, calm and respectful criticism?

Because I DISTINCTLY remember :crab: MALE VIERA :crab:

I always viewed myself as an ally to hrothgar players. (...) It's like the only user on here I can even have an actual discussion with anymore on the subject is Adamantini, and they are a male viera player (!). The way they give feedback could even make me support male viera updates! If many hrothgar players gave more measured, constructive feedback, I think more people would be willing to listen.

Is that why you had a barrage of Hrothgar telling you to stop because you were just bringing us down?

All you've been doing was tell people to "just take it". You are no saint, Churro. If you're such an ally, why were you always shutting them down both when they had REASONS, valid reasons, to feel upset and express their frustration AND when gave proper feedback right after? People have since then actually posted proper feedback, and you STILL gave them a hard time for trying!! And just like every outsider here, you only focused on the frustration part and turned your backs on us!

"Oh only Adamantini gets me", sis you literally could have had a pleasant talk with people even if you disagreed with them, but all you've done was shut others out. Don't cry about it to us now. Because I have zero qualms with Adamantini whatsoever, and I haven't always agreed with him either. I even gave you the benefit of the doubt, many people did, but you just weren't having it. THAT'S why you then had a whole line of Hrothgar telling you to stop. It wasn't because "Oh woe be me, everyone is dramatic but Adamantini", it's because we told you "please stop bringing us down this hard, we're trying, and we don't want to resort to spamming their livestreams and be any more rude than we already have been?" and you just kept going.

Maybe be pleasant? Then you get to say that. Stop pinning the blame on other people, Hrothgars made it clear why they get upset at you, you're the only one who still hasn't grasped it. People HAVE posted feedback the way you wanted and what did you do? Shove yourself in there and tell people to stop because the devs won't care. If the shoe were on the other foot, would YOU like us to tell you to stop trying to get the devs' attention after we got all the fun and all you got was scraps?

This is was around the start of when people began having issues with you the most, it just bled into the megathread the week after where the aforementioned barrage happened. Are you really going to deny just how much you ignored and twisted just to act contrarian? Because I thought I was clear and calm, I just lost every ounce of patience with you after you kept harping on the same notes and ignoring me, and from what I saw, so did everyone else afterward.

Great ally you are.

We weren't the ones who told you that Viera were now a trigger word, even when Viera players were also giving us a hard time when we were at the height of feeling upset about the situation. You did, though, and all because you didn't grasp that people wanted a bit more support than just "I get you all and I wish it were different, but just quit". Not everyone wants to quit, Churro. We aren't asking for "yes-men" here, but we're not going to take it when people tell us "the devs don't care, give it up" over and over. Because we've seen the devs do stuff for your race, why wouldn't they do it for ours? Or if not, at least give us a better answer than the one we got. And here's the thing, I actually tend to enjoy when you chime in, because you sound like you think. But sometimes, you really do just come out to shut people down. I wouldn't do that if I were in your shoes, I'd have stuck and say "yeah no, this is unfair, keep it up, because we got stuff through sheer brute force and I for one would rather not have a repeat of that; it's unfair for you, and it's unfair on the dev team".

Your way of supporting us isn't as benevolent as you make it sound, Churro.

[SturmChurro]

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Viera players as a whole didn't spam their livestreams, that was some male viera supporters, and probably some trolls as well.

Yes, I, among others, were some of the first to post in support of updates for BOTH viera and hrothgar. There are a few megathreads now instead of the scattered threadspam, because we were here suggesting players compile their feedback in these supposed "hrothgar threads".. I am pretty sure I am even in the OP of one of them, where I compiled threads for the megathread!! I was a part of the conversation BEFORE these threads popped up, and I was there at the start of many these supposed "hrothgar" threads, that's why I reiterate that point.

Us female viera players (former and current) got pretty much NOTHING out of male viera being added to the game! Many of the now male viera players weren't even playing female viera during ShB! I never wanted male viera, I only wanted it for the players who wanted it EVENTUALLY.

Here's the thing about male viera... and this is a hard truth to swallow, but male viera are significantly more popular than hrothgar. Especially in Japan. This is a fact. Here I will quote something as one reference from many years back:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

Mammalian beastmen (ex.) wolfmen, gnolls, etc.) JP 3.3% NA 7.3% GB 7.1% FR 6.2% DE 9.9%

Mammalian demi-beastmen (ex. a rabbit-eared race such as the Viera from FFXII, etc.) JP 24.9% NA 27.7% GB 26.1% FR 26.6% DE 31.0%

Keep in mind, this old poll was done with wolfmen in mind. Which, from what I can tell, are a fairly popular aesthetic - also, not ronso or hrothgar.

Regardless of how male viera feedback was given, it is undeniable that they would be a popular inclusion, especially in the developers home country. I wouldn't doubt many developers themselves wanted male viera, hence them supposedly working on them in their free time. The inclusion of male viera was easy.

Please don't misunderstand, which many seem to do, I do not personally agree with male hrothgar being ignored due to popularity. As I have reiterated in many, many posts: Male hrothgar were added to the game, the players deserved to be heard, and their race be given attention.

I started turning my back, like many others, when personal insults starting going around. I have been put down for playing both miqo'te and au ra, or my opinion didn't matter because I was a viera player, etc.. I don't remember ever PERSONALLY putting down anyone like that. I was trying to be constructive in this thread. I do not understand how suggesting hrothgar players go about giving their feedback in a more constructive manner is even a bad thing!

That post is in regards to hrothgar getting their fixes in 6.2. Context matters here. This is in reference to Yoshida's response stating how it would take a significant amount of time to do hairs without the "hiding their ears under the hair" trick. Yes, I was also being sarcastic. I can be sarcastic, sometimes often, my bad. Especially when the tone of responses changes for the worse.

I can't believe the "hrothgar is a trigger word" JOKE is being brought up. I was JOKING, it's sarcasm. I was trying to imply I didn't want to get in an argument about hrothgar again. I don't remember telling hrothgar players to quit. I remember stating a couple times something about voting with your wallet, but even if hrothgar players did, I doubted there would be enough of them, or SE would care. I don't think I ever said to give it up, at least not seriously, if I did it was also most likely sarcasm. I am pretty sure I suggested the OPPOSITE in reply to users like Adamantini, for that matter.

Also, again, the devs BARELY did anything for female viera, we got some copy and paste shared hairs that largely don't even look good. If we were going to get shared hairs, we wanted quality, and we didn't even expect to get those in the first place, we expected racial unique hairs! Hrothgar also got low quality shared hairs, but their custom faces turned out to be more of an issue for SE. Viera lucked out by their headshape, nothing more.