Delete Hyurs

[TaleraRistain]

Tbh, as someone who has played both a Mouse Race, A Bear Race and a Frog race all in 1 MMO before. A rat race could be interesting....

But they'd probably stink if done wrong.

Go go Frogloks and Ratonga

[Karowolus]

I thought those were public forums.

Don't worry, next time I see a public forum post that's full of people looking forward to something. Maybe like a birthday cake or something like that, I'll go in there. Track filth over the floor and leave my bootprint in that lovely cake that people had so been looking forward to eating.

And then when I get asked why... I'll just say.

'Oh. I thought this was a public Forum...'

And then go into the next thread. And do it ALL OVER AGAIN.



/s

[Karowolus]

Go go Frogloks and Ratonga

I think they were Zumi, Usra and Anura.

[Karowolus]

Delete Hrothgar, it's called FFXIV not Fury Fantasy.
Delete Lalafell, it's called FFXIV not Potatoes in wonderland.

Delete Au-Ra. It's called FFXIV not Kobolds R Us.

Delete Miqo'te. It's Called FFXIV. Not Every Isekai Anime Ever

Delete Elezen. It's called FFXIV. Not Hyperextension Simulator

Delete Viera. It's called FFXIV. Not Hugh Hefner's mansion.

Edit.

Forgot Roe. But I think SE are just waiting for a reason to do that anyway.

[SturmChurro]

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I predate all of the hrothgar threads. I am a veteran viera player. I was among the first to post in MANY of these so called "hrothgar" threads, in SUPPORT of hrothgar updates. I was posting in these threads, because it was (is) an issue I cared about. More so viera, of course, but I thought of hrothgar being in the same struggle for updates. Yeah, maybe I had gotten jaded and bitter about the situation. I had some different outlooks about the situation, and many hrothgar players didn't like some of my posts. The only things I was really firmly against were the implementation of male viera so soon, and female hrothgar, because I thought updates for viera AND male hrothgar took precedence over the missing genders. I was one of the few who always gave my feedback as "viera/hrothgar". My posts are in completely different context, than what many think I am meaning.

I have made hundreds of posts giving feedback for viera and hrothgar, I was never content and was one of the first to continuously try to give my feedback ad naseam, so it's just.. odd to me to read this statement:

You might be happy to sit on your hands and do nothing whilst the game you love and have made friends on get's progressively worse and worse with each patch.

This is completely false. I want this game to get better, and I have continuously made posts for quality in regards to both viera and hrothgar, tailed races, miqo'te ears, story, leveling etc..

You are seeing posts like what has been made in this thread, because, frankly, people are getting fed up with much of the "feedback" hrothgar players are giving. I've seen posts outright calling Yoshida a liar, "modders do it better", etc. Giving feedback like this, instead of structured, actual constructive criticism, is something that will only make players and probably SE themselves annoyed, and push them more and more against hrothgar.

[TaleraRistain]

I think they were Zumi, Usra and Anura.

Yeah EQII didn't have a bear race but it had frogs and rats so I was praising those. I wasn't saying that was the game they meant.

[Bunnycake]

Delete Viera. It's called FFXIV. Not Hugh Hefner's mansion.

[Karowolus]

Snip

Big Whoop, you arrived Early. Want a medal?

The whole reasoning behind the whole 'Modders Do it Better' is what makes it frustrating.

One person.

It's one person who makes each mod. Or maybe a small group, but 9/10 it's a single person putting in some effort and giving a good, finished product.

And we then look at... What is being made by a TEAM. I can understand stuff like Hardware and Engine Limitations. But when it's something as simple as Hairstyles, metadata switches and simple model changes. You have to understand why hrothgar players are irritated with each new patch that comes out.

If Constructive criticism is how Male Viera came about. Maybe I should go the Constructive route and spam the devstreams with something stupid or badger and harass the devteam.

If I feel like I'm being lied to, or am not being told the whole story. Im well within my right to view whoever is telling me whatever as a Liar.

But maybe the reason why so many hrothgar players on PC do mod is because they're unsatisfied.. A silent rebellion of sorts. I don't blame them.

Our feedback is pointing out their screwups. Pointing out what has been done wrong is one of the first steps to finding a solution.

[SturmChurro]

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I always viewed myself as an ally to hrothgar players. Back in the male viera thread, there was the occasional post of people calling you all furries, or saying that they should have done male viera instead of hrothgar, and I ALWAYS defended you all. It's just such a disconnect to read what people think I am posting.

You don't think I agree, in essence, that SE could probably do better? I won't typically give my opinion on the whole modder thing, because I do not know how SE has their development set up, and maybe it isn't as easy for them as it is for modders. The problem I seem to get is when I try to look at both sides, many hrothgar players automatically think I am then against them. For that matter, I have already given my actual personal opinion on the situation, many times, but I still get attacked.

I was literally against male viera supporters doing that to SE, at the time it was being done. I was unhappy when male viera were surprise announced, lamenting how female viera was ignored for the entirety of ShB But I can't even really give my thoughts about viera without being told how hrothgar have it worse, and my opinion(s) don't matter, etc. etc.. I always agreed hrothgar had it worse, the major issue I thought that needed to be fixed was the fantasia to change your hairstyles. By the way, maybe some of my constant feedback played a part in them finally fixing it (probably not), you're welcome.

It's like the only user on here I can even have an actual discussion with anymore on the subject is Adamantini, and they are a male viera player (!). The way they give feedback could even make me support male viera updates! If many hrothgar players gave more measured, constructive feedback, I think more people would be willing to listen.

[Midareyukki]

I predate all of the hrothgar threads. I am a veteran viera player. I was among the first to post in MANY of these so called "hrothgar" threads, in SUPPORT of hrothgar updates.

We're really doing this? Viera players did nothing but spam their threads and their livestreams, Hrothgars didn't do anything. Why are you making a big deal about the posts here?

I dare you to tell me that your feedback in here netted anything good. You're just as bad as we are. You were here first? Surely you remember just how much you guys whined for three years. Now, what, we can't do it when WE have actual reason to complain? Far more than you lot, at least you guys got something out of all the whining. And then you have the gall of saying that you "came first"? Going first isn't an indication of anything whatsoever, nor has it done anything for us. That's why we're in this mess to begin with, unlike Viera. And I can tell you right now, it didn't matter worth a damn.

Remind me, how did you get Male Viera again? Was it constructive, well-thought out, calm and respectful criticism?

Because I DISTINCTLY remember :crab: MALE VIERA :crab:

I always viewed myself as an ally to hrothgar players. (...) It's like the only user on here I can even have an actual discussion with anymore on the subject is Adamantini, and they are a male viera player (!). The way they give feedback could even make me support male viera updates! If many hrothgar players gave more measured, constructive feedback, I think more people would be willing to listen.

Is that why you had a barrage of Hrothgar telling you to stop because you were just bringing us down?

All you've been doing was tell people to "just take it". You are no saint, Churro. If you're such an ally, why were you always shutting them down both when they had REASONS, valid reasons, to feel upset and express their frustration AND when gave proper feedback right after? People have since then actually posted proper feedback, and you STILL gave them a hard time for trying!! And just like every outsider here, you only focused on the frustration part and turned your backs on us!

"Oh only Adamantini gets me", sis you literally could have had a pleasant talk with people even if you disagreed with them, but all you've done was shut others out. Don't cry about it to us now. Because I have zero qualms with Adamantini whatsoever, and I haven't always agreed with him either. I even gave you the benefit of the doubt, many people did, but you just weren't having it. THAT'S why you then had a whole line of Hrothgar telling you to stop. It wasn't because "Oh woe be me, everyone is dramatic but Adamantini", it's because we told you "please stop bringing us down this hard, we're trying, and we don't want to resort to spamming their livestreams and be any more rude than we already have been?" and you just kept going.

Maybe be pleasant? Then you get to say that. Stop pinning the blame on other people, Hrothgars made it clear why they get upset at you, you're the only one who still hasn't grasped it. People HAVE posted feedback the way you wanted and what did you do? Shove yourself in there and tell people to stop because the devs won't care. If the shoe were on the other foot, would YOU like us to tell you to stop trying to get the devs' attention after we got all the fun and all you got was scraps?

This is was around the start of when people began having issues with you the most, it just bled into the megathread the week after where the aforementioned barrage happened. Are you really going to deny just how much you ignored and twisted just to act contrarian? Because I thought I was clear and calm, I just lost every ounce of patience with you after you kept harping on the same notes and ignoring me, and from what I saw, so did everyone else afterward.

Great ally you are.

We weren't the ones who told you that Viera were now a trigger word, even when Viera players were also giving us a hard time when we were at the height of feeling upset about the situation. You did, though, and all because you didn't grasp that people wanted a bit more support than just "I get you all and I wish it were different, but just quit". Not everyone wants to quit, Churro. We aren't asking for "yes-men" here, but we're not going to take it when people tell us "the devs don't care, give it up" over and over. Because we've seen the devs do stuff for your race, why wouldn't they do it for ours? Or if not, at least give us a better answer than the one we got. And here's the thing, I actually tend to enjoy when you chime in, because you sound like you think. But sometimes, you really do just come out to shut people down. I wouldn't do that if I were in your shoes, I'd have stuck and say "yeah no, this is unfair, keep it up, because we got stuff through sheer brute force and I for one would rather not have a repeat of that; it's unfair for you, and it's unfair on the dev team".

Your way of supporting us isn't as benevolent as you make it sound, Churro.