So, what now? Lotteries with 150+ bids until... when?

[Jojoya]

The number of people in this thread defending the old system is mind boggling. Any system that would encourage people to neglect their personal health in order to win a house is pretty obviously unethical.

The only point any of them have is that before you could, through great acts of neckbeardery, improve your chances. Which is true, but it makes you look pretty bad.

Any anecdotes (too many in this thread to quote) claiming they just walked up to a placard and casually purchased a plot can be dismissed as either trolling or, much less likely, dumb luck.

Or they were purchasing at a point in time when either supply was meeting demand adequately or there was a brief surge in the number of available houses for whatever reason.

I bought my first house back in 3.4. There wasn't a lot to chose from, maybe 2 dozen houses total and almost exclusively smalls in Goblet, but they were available. I walked right up and purchased it. I ended up losing that house to demolition when I couldn't play at the start of Stormblood so I made due with an apartment when I returned.

When the personal purchase moratorium was lifted on wards 13-18 in 4.2, I walked up to my dream plot (Mist 60) and was able to purchase it immediately. I watched over the next 10 months as the ward slowly filled up. No one was having trouble getting a house on Coeurl that year.

FCs had no problem getting a house when the new wards were first added in 5.1. There were still quite a few houses left available on most worlds as the personal purchase moratorium ended (and they all disappeared within a few hours of that happening).

Some of the anecdotes might well be fiction or at least exaggerated but others will be true stories. It depends on when and where they were making the purchase.

[SieyaM]

The lottery at least eliminated the advantage the people botting had, so there's that.

[Stormpeaks]

The lottery at least eliminated the advantage the people botting had, so there's that.

I mean sure, being agaisnt 300 real players for a popular plot sure is much better than being agaisnt 20 bots. LOL /s





"But muh fair chance agaisnt the bots !!!"

[Shougun]

Both systems sucked gysahl greens through a yew wand but having read the pros and cons to both systems, I am 1000000% supportive of the lottery systems- even though it is 'also' bad. Sure you could have got lucky, particularly when it was hyper down time and your server was smaller, but the amount of things that could go wrong with the placard was far worse than lottery.

If a lottery fails multiple times in a row then having it become purchase-able on the spot seems fair, but I definitely feel all shifts in situation should begin with lottery. Like when we had new wards released and everyone did the mad dash rat race to get theirs- it was not a fair system and pure garbage luck. Or when you're so close to getting a plot and someone bounces right on in with their relocation. Etc.

"only check it for a few hours, don't damage your health" I've seen some say. And all I can think back is what an absolute dumpster fire of a way to spend my time lol. Even if I wasn't crazy trying to get a house, what a great way to feel like "this system is god awful, this is so boring, and if someone snipes this house from out underneath me-- I will have a permanent souring moment in this game". That's the 'healthy' option.. freaking L O L... The stories of people spending 8 hours for their FC and then losing out.. probably would make me quit the game, permanently.

No... The lottery is the much better, bad, option. Still sucks, not going to defend that, and I could see shifting into placard after X failed lotteries is fine-- but the potential negatives of placard were massively larger than the lottery (even if both are still bad).

Absolutely band-aid fixes. We want the solution... which has and will always be proper instanced systems....

[Shori]

....has anyone tried getting a personal house on the new servers yet? Because I went an entered a lottery today and every plot was at 0 entries in both wards I checked (shirogane and mist)

[Avidria]

I still don't understand why they've clung so tightly to just adding identical wards and not doing anything bigger than that. The housing system as a whole, and all of the decisions I've seen made for it since I started playing ~7 years ago, are just utterly baffling to me.

Like, first they put FCs and individuals in the same system. Bad choice in a game like this, imo, but there it is. Then they add auto demo, but shut it off so often (albeit for totally understandable reasons) that it seems like it's off more than on. Then they insist on only ever adding the exact same copy paste template for house layouts, even in both new zones which could've been great opportunities to, I don't know, try wards with different numbers and sizes of houses??? They limit apartments so much they still lack all the actual game features housing offers, which imo again there shouldn't be ANY game features exclusive to housing other than decorating a house and picking the music, and they slap bandaid after bandaid on the BUYING process all while doing little to nothing to stop people from buying up whole wards on their alts and fake FCs and still not doing anything more than ++++more wards every few years to address the supply issue.

And it's double weird because there's two ways they could've gone, right, they could've just said housing is limited tough luck heck off. Like, Aion also has ward housing, and back when I still played it seriously (like 5 years ago lmao) it had weekly fees and way less houses (also gives a free apartment to every player) but it stuck that way for years. But here they keep adding wards?? So clearly they recognize the demand and apparently agreed housing was too limited, but either can't or won't do anything to make it not limited at all.

Idk. Just feels like they tried to do both too much and not enough with the system. The whole thing is contradictory with itself.

[Arzalis]

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Pretty much all this.

Housing systems usually come in two flavors:

1) Instanced and everyone gets one, but it's not in the world itself.
2) In the open world, but has a limited supply.

FFXIV combined the two systems, but literally chose the two negatives. FFXIV housing is both instanced and has limited supply.

[anguel]

150+ ? hihi your cute



https://ibb.co/ZWdHWSR

thats like what 0.25% chance of wining at this point ? lol

[LianaThorne]

150+ ? hihi your cute



https://ibb.co/ZWdHWSR

thats like what 0.25% chance of wining at this point ? lol

.003% if my math is correct but don't trust me on that.

[anguel]

.003% if my math is correct but don't trust me on that.

i will believe you there xD number is already too high, for me to even comprehend why would anybody keep participating in the lottery !