How to fix housing in 2 steps

[KayRadley]

Anyone who equates apartments to full housing is on some massive copium

I didn't. I said Ishgard has apartments, which is an option one has in lieu of NOT having any housing. It's not Square's fault if you willfully choose homelessness.

[Sairys]

I didn't. I said Ishgard has apartments, which is an option one has in lieu of NOT having any housing. It's not Square's fault if you willfully choose homelessness.

Apartments aren't housing, they're just an FC room you can't lose. (I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of the reason they can't be upgraded.)

There's a whole category of housing furniture that's not available as they don't have an outside section, so they don't give full access to the housing system.

[Netaie]

If it was that easy to fix, housing would have been designed that way from the start.

It does not work like this. In game development, you must manage with budget (time/person allocated) and quick iteration to provide something which can be tested as early as possible. So sometimes you release something but:
1. can be broken by player
2. do not work as much as you wanted but budget limited you

So for 2. you hope you will have more budget for an improvement in the future. Thing can be done well in the first draft if budget is here. It is about managing priority and clearly, housing is not a top priority for the moment and it is easily understandable

What I'm interested in seeing is just how weather is going to work on Island Sanctuary. Is it just going to be a placeholder skybox the way it is in any other instance, or have they figured out a way to give it actual weather. If they've given it actual weather, then maybe they're close to a solution for weather in instances in general and housing specifically.

Weather in instance should not be a technical problem, it is as production priority problem as budget is not an infinite resource and how SE manage its validation process

[Yshtola_Cat]

How to fix it in one step: bring back the 2.1 price chart

[dspguy]

Just because you don't have a house in Ishgard doesn't mean the game has not provided what it advertised.

Also, Ishgard has apartments. Use one.

I just ducked into a random Empyreum ward on my server. 13 apartments are purchased. Out of... what's the cap? 90 per ward?

What you want isn't available, but it doesn't mean SE hasn't delivered. There are FC rooms readily available for all. Any legit FC that wants a house should have one by now. And if an FC isn't a player's thing? Apartments are still readily available.

Frankly, SE might be looking at both the bids every lottery cycle on plots and then also looking at the number of unused apartment spaces in Empyreum and see the disparity. Both are a place to decorate and call your own. One is readily available still.

[Elevin]

House owners shouting down at non house owners.

[Jojoya]

Apartments aren't housing, they're just an FC room you can't lose. (I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of the reason they can't be upgraded.)

Full stop.

hous·ing
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noun
1.
houses and apartments considered collectively.

Yes, apartments are housing. The moment you claim otherwise you've lost the debate.

What you should be doing is talking about why an apartment is not the housing you want.

Are they smaller with lower item limits? Yes.

Can you still place interior furnishings? Yes. There are approximately 890 different indoor furnishings to choose from versus 212 outdoor furnishings. That means you still have choice from 80% of all furnishings.

Do you get access to a Chocobo Stable? Yes. It's included with apartment purchase and doesn't use up a furnishing slot. A house owner needs to buy one for an additional 125,000 gil and it will use up one of their outdoor furnishing spaces if they want access at their home

Do you get access to a teleport to your apartment. Yes. It's included with apartment purchase and doesn't use up a furnishing slot. A house owner needs to buy a Miniature Aetheryte that will use up one of their outdoor furhishing spaces if they want to be able to teleport directly to their house.

Do you get access to a Delivery Moogle/Mailbox? Yes. There's one in the lobby of every apartment building that anyone can access even if they don't have an apartment in the building. A house owner needs to get a mailbox that will use up one of their outdoor furnishing spaces if they want a mailbox at their house.

Do you get access to general gardening? Yes. Any seed can be grown in flowerpots including seeds that can't be grown in outdoor garden patches. Flowerpots do take up a furnishing space.

Do you get access to intercross gardening? No. That requires weather, which does not exist in instances (why you can't do it inside of a house interior either). But considering less than 90% of house owners participate in intercross gardening because it's an RNG mess that has a mandatory daily log in requirement, it's not an issue for most of those who want a house.

Weather in instance should not be a technical problem, it is as production priority problem as budget is not an infinite resource and how SE manage its validation process

Not trying to claim it should be a problem but with how SE created the instancing system for housing it is. And your explanation shows out why it's not easy to fix, which was the point I made. Budget is a struggle even for a billion dollar company.

House owners shouting down at non house owners.

Most of us support the desire to get a house and would like to see change in the system.

Statements like "apartments aren't housing" won't get SE to make those changes.

[Divinemights]

The only resolution (not fix because nothing is broken to begin with) to address this supply vs demand is not to add more ward
I think it is time for SE to expand the datacenter from 8 servers into 9 or 10.
Any other request such as copy other game's instanced housing isn't really optimal.

[Jojoya]

The only resolution (not fix because nothing is broken to begin with) to address this supply vs demand is not to add more ward
I think it is time for SE to expand the datacenter from 8 servers into 9 or 10.
Any other request such as copy other game's instanced housing isn't really optimal.

They clearly struggle with player log-ins when there are too many worlds on a logical data center. That's why the JP worlds just got split from 10-11-11 to 8-8-8-8.

Increasing the number of worlds and adding more data centers for those worlds is needed not for housing sake but for the sake of the expanded player population. Even with 4 new worlds next month and another 4 next year, NA is packed tight compared to EU and JP. What NA really needs is 6 data centers with 48 worlds. That would bring the average population closer to what it is n the JP worlds not to mention add more plots.

Optimal in the case of housing systems is very subjective. I'd still give up my Mist medium in a heartbeat if an instanced system with the choice and functionality of RIFT's Dimensions was added to this game. Creativity was not limited there as it is here and the search function made it very easy to find and visit Dimensions owned by other players. The thousands of Likes listed on many Dimensions showed that. It's just a shame the other content in that game was mediocre.

[Divinemights]

They clearly struggle with player log-ins when there are too many worlds on a logical data center. That's why the JP worlds just got split from 10-11-11 to 8-8-8-8.

Increasing the number of worlds and adding more data centers for those worlds is needed not for housing sake but for the sake of the expanded player population. Even with 4 new worlds next month and another 4 next year, NA is packed tight compared to EU and JP. What NA really needs is 6 data centers with 48 worlds. That would bring the average population closer to what it is n the JP worlds not to mention add more plots.

Optimal in the case of housing systems is very subjective. I'd still give up my Mist medium in a heartbeat if an instanced system with the choice and functionality of RIFT's Dimensions was added to this game. Creativity was not limited there as it is here and the search function made it very easy to find and visit Dimensions owned by other players. The thousands of Likes listed on many Dimensions showed that. It's just a shame the other content in that game was mediocre.

You are not only asking them to copy other game's system and you are also asking them to invest physical hardwares into something only minimal players will actively using.
That is why I said it is not optimal not only to corporate suits and also SE's shareholders.
Invest server hardwares into datacenter expansion in contrast is more optimal

Let me further explain on how your idea will not work.
Beside investment of hardware resources, you are also pretty much asking the devs to spend development resources into creating a new system on top or original system (only drawback by supply unable to meet demmand)
How many hot potatoes that current devs have right now?

Let's list:
Hrothgars almost turned into forum terrorist during their persuade of Hrothgar refinement and female Hrothgar
PvP side, in which is now quite big chuck of playerbases also demanding further refinement of currentPvP system
Playerbase also want a better report system for TOS abuse and harassments, urgently.
Majority of players want better gear design
The list will just go on and on...

Why would them want to recreate/copy a system from scratch?