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    UAC isn't really needed if you use common sense and don't browse unsafe pages or install cracked software. Besides, there are ways to avoid it and turn UAC off silently, unless they fixed it.

    The issue with FFXIV crashing by losing focus is lazy coding, since the error message thrown is a default one when you don't handle the "device lost" exception.

    Before someone says it's not possible with our current engine, it is, the very first windower for xiv managed giving ffxiv exclusive mode fullscreen (not borderless window as the later ones do and yes, there is a difference) via wrapping itself around ffxiv and handling this exception.

    If a hack can provide the functionality without having access to the source code, but the devs can't then something is fishy.

    Quote Originally Posted by indira View Post
    problem with linux they would have to give out source code if they made any changes to things under the GPL, so they would have to give up there secrets. thats why they only stick to apple & MS
    That isn't true. You are not forced to release the source code for a program, why do you think there are open source nvidia drivers and binary nvidia drivers?
    SE could just provide a pre-compiled binary with an install script.

    The real reason why no one bothers with linux is because the market share is too small to warrant support for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soukyuu View Post
    UAC isn't really needed if you use common sense and don't browse unsafe pages or install cracked software. Besides, there are ways to avoid it and turn UAC off silently, unless they fixed it.

    The issue with FFXIV crashing by losing focus is lazy coding, since the error message thrown is a default one when you don't handle the "device lost" exception.

    Before someone says it's not possible with our current engine, it is, the very first windower for xiv managed giving ffxiv exclusive mode fullscreen (not borderless window as the later ones do and yes, there is a difference) via wrapping itself around ffxiv and handling this exception.

    If a hack can provide the functionality without having access to the source code, but the devs can't then something is fishy.

    That isn't true. You are not forced to release the source code for a program, why do you think there are open source nvidia drivers and binary nvidia drivers?
    SE could just provide a pre-compiled binary with an install script.

    The real reason why no one bothers with linux is because the market share is too small to warrant support for it.
    The way UAC works is by taking a screenshot, it then suspends your session, then opens a new one for the UAC prompt then retuns to your session to perform the tasks (if you let it) this is the problem, SE have not coded FFXIV to work with the session being closed (if you want to see this run FFXIV on a laptop set the lid close action to sleep, close the lid, let it sleep then open it again, FFXIV will crash with the same error because the session has been suspended.

    I however do agree with your linux comment, the ATI drivers are closed source and there are no problems, everything does not have to be open source on Linux, only the OS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    The way UAC works is by taking a screenshot, it then suspends your session, then opens a new one for the UAC prompt then retuns to your session to perform the tasks (if you let it) this is the problem, SE have not coded FFXIV to work with the session being closed (if you want to see this run FFXIV on a laptop set the lid close action to sleep, close the lid, let it sleep then open it again, FFXIV will crash with the same error because the session has been suspended.
    It's not about the session being closed, it's about losing the exclusive access to the DX device, that's what happens if you alt-tab or suspend the session, no matter which version of windows you are using.

    In case something is interested, here's the the info about it and also how to solve it: click

    It's just not a priority for SE in this client version.
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