Windows 8 Compatibility

[Alhanelem]

One of the Reasons for windows 8 Is to do away with the need for a hardware Bios. Which is something Google is trying to do with Chromium.

That's all well and good, but you don't need to screw around with a UI that's been working just fine for years in order to do that. Let desktops be desktops and let tablets and portable devices be those things. I'm not abandoning my mouse for touch input anytime soon.

[Alhanelem]

In a year or two, I'd venture to say the majority of consumer devices will have a touch screen.

It's going to be a LOT more than a "year or two" before everyone with a desktop PC has thrown away their perfectly good non-touchscreen monitor for a touch screen, and it will be even longer before that touch screen becomes a primary input device (if ever). Fingers are fat and clunky. You can't use touch input for anything that requires great precision.

There's a reason we've been using mice for 25+ years- it's a sound, well thought out and functional input device.

edit: sorry for doublepost

[Maneki]

It's going to be a LOT more than a "year or two" before everyone with a desktop PC has thrown away their perfectly good non-touchscreen monitor for a touch screen, and it will be even longer before that touch screen becomes a primary input device (if ever). Fingers are fat and clunky. You can't use touch input for anything that requires great precision.

There's a reason we've been using mice for 25+ years- it's a sound, well thought out and functional input device.

edit: sorry for doublepost

There's been a huge trend lately where people are moving away from traditional computers (especially in businesses). There's a large shift in the industry where people are bringing their own devices to work (largely iOS devices) and hooking them up to corporate networks. The phenomena is known as consumerization of IT and it's catching on quick. It's to the point where Microsoft is actually a bit threatened by this, as some businesses are considering throwing out the "traditional" PC all together. Granted, this isn't across all companies in all industries, but it certainly is an alarming trend.

The biggest worry for IT organizations today is the ability to secure and manage these devices. Right now, there aren't really any great solutions and the ones that are out there require a lot of implementation and administration. While this is less of an issue for the regular worker, how do you deal with your CEO's iPad if it gets lost? Do you have the ability to wipe the device remotely? How do you keep all that confidential information from falling into the wrong hands?

I agree with you, I don't see the keyboard and mouse going away any time soon for most applications. That's why Windows still works with a keyboard and mouse. There are certain parts that work better today than in the past (most notably the search functionality) that put much more emphasis to people using the keyboard. If you haven't already, I'd challenge you to switch over to Win8 in a production environment and use it every day for all the tasks you do now. You'd be surprised at how little the metro interface gets in your way.

I was never a huge user of the traditional start menu. Once Vista came around and I could just search for what I was trying to run, I almost never used the "all programs" section. I would just hit the windows key, start typing the name of the program, and hit enter to start it. Windows 8 hasn't changed that functionality, but also gives me a few new toys to play with and use (improved multi-monitor support, for example). Metro is there if I want it and need it, but I can easily ignore it if I don't.

I'm typing right now on a laptop running Win8 in desktop mode (no touch screen) on IE10. If I showed this to someone, they'd be hard pressed to tell it wasn't Win7, save for the missing start button.

We're at a point with touch technology where it's not an expensive add-on anymore. I'd venture to guess that a lot of the mid-range laptops coming out this fall will have touch screen capability. I'm looking forward to one in particular (the Lenovo Yoga) which will be in the $1k price range with ultra-book specs. A lot of all-in-one consumer PCs that are sold today already have touch screen monitors and they don't really have a huge premium over the non-touch counterparts. Sure, your $300 netbooks will still be non-touch, but I can see that changing as well.

[Delsus]

There's been a huge trend lately where people are moving away from traditional computers (especially in businesses). There's a large shift in the industry where people are bringing their own devices to work (largely iOS devices) and hooking them up to corporate networks. The phenomena is known as consumerization of IT and it's catching on quick. It's to the point where Microsoft is actually a bit threatened by this, as some businesses are considering throwing out the "traditional" PC all together. Granted, this isn't across all companies in all industries, but it certainly is an alarming trend.

The biggest worry for IT organizations today is the ability to secure and manage these devices. Right now, there aren't really any great solutions and the ones that are out there require a lot of implementation and administration. While this is less of an issue for the regular worker, how do you deal with your CEO's iPad if it gets lost? Do you have the ability to wipe the device remotely? How do you keep all that confidential information from falling into the wrong hands?

I agree with you, I don't see the keyboard and mouse going away any time soon for most applications. That's why Windows still works with a keyboard and mouse. There are certain parts that work better today than in the past (most notably the search functionality) that put much more emphasis to people using the keyboard. If you haven't already, I'd challenge you to switch over to Win8 in a production environment and use it every day for all the tasks you do now. You'd be surprised at how little the metro interface gets in your way.

I was never a huge user of the traditional start menu. Once Vista came around and I could just search for what I was trying to run, I almost never used the "all programs" section. I would just hit the windows key, start typing the name of the program, and hit enter to start it. Windows 8 hasn't changed that functionality, but also gives me a few new toys to play with and use (improved multi-monitor support, for example). Metro is there if I want it and need it, but I can easily ignore it if I don't.

I'm typing right now on a laptop running Win8 in desktop mode (no touch screen) on IE10. If I showed this to someone, they'd be hard pressed to tell it wasn't Win7, save for the missing start button.

We're at a point with touch technology where it's not an expensive add-on anymore. I'd venture to guess that a lot of the mid-range laptops coming out this fall will have touch screen capability. I'm looking forward to one in particular (the Lenovo Yoga) which will be in the $1k price range with ultra-book specs. A lot of all-in-one consumer PCs that are sold today already have touch screen monitors and they don't really have a huge premium over the non-touch counterparts. Sure, your $300 netbooks will still be non-touch, but I can see that changing as well.

Coming from someone who has been educated in networking its very easy to prevent people bringing devices into work and hooking them up to the network, its called Network Access Protection, and it works very well to deny access on an un-managed device or if it you want you can set strict policies for connection it requires an initial setup and not much more, if someone needs a device connecting to a network they go through the admins.

Also I would be very cautious about this, laptops iPads etc can get stolen and the last thing you want is company data being stolen any company that allows this (and allows people to store company data on thier laptops) are asking to be sued, if I ran a network the only way people would be allowed to connect a laptop or PC which is unmanaged to the network is through a VPN and company data is not allowed to be stored on the staff member's device, all for security reasons.