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[Toutatis]

ALL materials for crafts that require gardening are still cheaper than 3 mill?

If someone only wants what can be crafted and were to buy all the minions, it would cost about 715K on my server atm (even less if you travel between worlds/data centers). This cost includes all other materials too, including rare materials that can often be sold for more than the minions/mounts on the MB. Each of the minions/mounts listed below requires inter-crossing (save the Allagan Melon) and multiple consecutive days of login for both intercrossing and growing the minions.

Many of these minions can already be obtained from retainers, fetes and GC loot boxes so in reality the total cost is much lower.

Onion Prince 20k
Garlic Jester 39k
Tomato King 35k
Allagan Melon 250 gils (Allagan Melon Seeds take 7 days to grow and cost 300 gil from Merchant. No garden needed at any stage but no reason to grow it)
Eggplant Knight 28k
Mandragora Queen 58k


ROYAL FERN (0 reason to craft any of these minions: just sell the mats from the trials or craft something else - example: the trial mat used to craft the peacock is >400k.)
Byakko Cub 5k
Private Moai 1k
Scarlet peakock 2k
Seitei 2.9k
Magnai 10k
Sadu 10k
Shinryu 1.5k


Glazenut
Atrophied Atomos 100k
Iron Dwarf 41k
Magic Broom 20k (also requires Broombush)
Model Magitek Bit 48k
Plush Cushion 50k
Steam Powered Gobwalker G-VII 110k


Blood Pepper (way too much trouble to grow IMHO vs selling price. I’d rather buy the pepper for the more expensive minions and then craft)
Wind-up Bismarck 850
Wind-up Garuda 14k
Wind-up Ifrit 15k
Wind-up Illuminatus 50k
Wind-up Lakshmi 600
Wind-up Leviathan 15k
Wind-up Ramuh 12k
Wind-up Ravana 1.2k
Wind-up Shiva 7k
Wind-up Susano 800
Wind-up Titan 18k


If you add the Flying Chair (115k - I got several from GC boxes) and Magicked Bed (1.8 M due to rare mats from maps), it is about 2.7 Mil total with immediate, guaranteed and effortless results.

You also have to add a 450k building permit to the purchase price of a small house.

I just grow Lavender indoors and outdoors: it’s easy to grow and I can exchange it for mats that sell well.

[Siniztor]

If someone only wants what can be crafted and were to buy all the minions, it would cost about 715K on my server atm (even less if you travel between worlds/data centers). This cost includes all other materials too, including rare materials that can often be sold for more than the minions/mounts on the MB. Each of the minions/mounts listed below requires inter-crossing (save the Allagan Melon) and multiple consecutive days of login for both intercrossing and growing the minions.

Many of these minions can already be obtained from retainers, fetes and GC loot boxes so in reality the total cost is much lower.

Onion Prince 20k
Garlic Jester 39k
Tomato King 35k
Allagan Melon 250 gils (Allagan Melon Seeds take 7 days to grow and cost 300 gil from Merchant. No garden needed at any stage but no reason to grow it)
Eggplant Knight 28k
Mandragora Queen 58k

Good list not 100% complete there should be something after the minnions....
you need the seeds to craft the stuffed vegies to..

But what if someone wants to be the one selling.. what if gardening relaxes someone like fishing to others??
For now SE just make a 4 pot Garden box for your fc room or apartment,, So people can crossbreed..dosent matter why they wanna do it. (Yes another bandaid fix)

Yes many wont put in the time to crossbreed ..but some are like me and really like gardening..I knew onions n leveling choc's would be big for shadow bringers i had 50 onions ready to sell for months n months of hard work... man a ton for my hardwork

[Jojoya]

Good list not 100% complete there should be something after the minnions....
you need the seeds to craft the stuffed vegies to..

But what if someone wants to be the one selling.. what if gardening relaxes someone like fishing to others??
For now SE just make a 4 pot Garden box for your fc room or apartment,, So people can crossbreed..dosent matter why they wanna do it. (Yes another bandaid fix)

Yes many wont put in the time to crossbreed ..but some are like me and really like gardening..I knew onions n leveling choc's would be big for shadow bringers i had 50 onions ready to sell for months n months of hard work... man a ton for my hardwork

For those who genuinely like gardening, certainly they need a house.

But how do they know they like gardening that much unless they have access to it? That's why I always suggest getting added as a tenant to another player's house if they're interested in gardening and only gardening when it comes to housing. Or at the very least take what I call the Thavnairian Onion test (get a Thavnairian Onion seed and grow it successfully in a flowerpot). Give gardening a try before you commit gil for something you may learn you don't enjoy.

If someone only wants to buy a house to get access to a garden to bypass purchasing items off the marketboard, it's a waste of gil. All those players who complain about Thavnairian Onion prices - are they even thinking? What sense does it make to spend 3 million gil on a house so they don't have to pay 1.2 million for the Onions?

[Toutatis]

But what if someone wants to be the one selling.. what if gardening relaxes someone like fishing to others??

That's why I wrote "If someone only wants what can be crafted". If someone only wants the result, they are better off with the MB. However, I agree with you, some people like gardening and in the end it is them who end up growing the most demanding things.

SE should fix this ridiculous housing system or at least have different size options for apartments and an indoor garden in the apartment buildings. Since weather is an issue when it comes to gardening, they could make a dedicated instanced garden area with weather that would be accessible in a way similar to inn rooms/ GC rooms.

[Siniztor]

That's why I wrote "If someone only wants what can be crafted". If someone only wants the result, they are better off with the MB. However, I agree with you, some people like gardening and in the end it is them who end up growing the most demanding things.

SE should fix this ridiculous housing system or at least have different size options for apartments and an indoor garden in the apartment buildings. Since weather is an issue when it comes to gardening, they could make a dedicated instanced garden area with weather that would be accessible in a way similar to inn rooms/ GC rooms.

100% agree they need to fix it..thats why not only and i fighting for instance housing,, But ideas like a 4 pot indoor small garden for fc rooms and apartments till they fix this (to crossbreed)..

Also been saying the GC door should have 3 options
1-Squad room
2-Personaly workshop
3-Private garden area

Heck id even pay gil to unlock those..and they could charge per amount of plots you 1-2-3 like houses
Garden area Cold be like say a room with no roof and brick walls (EQ2 out door patio type)

I did see someone post for some reason gardens are tied to out door weather... I can't think of a reason why..The ONLY thing weather dose iseffect when you watering if its sunny you get a water can if its raining you pat the soil.. If thats the ony reason behind no in door crossbreeding thats kinda dumb...

Seems liek it be a easy fix to just rework the code so it dosent pat the soil and always use water can

[Shibi]

...I did see someone post for some reason gardens are tied to out door weather... I can't think of a reason why..The ONLY thing weather dose iseffect when you watering if its sunny you get a water can if its raining you pat the soil.. If thats the ony reason behind no in door crossbreeding thats kinda dumb...

Although one can imagine it's tied up in the randomness of the crossbreed success/results calculation, I've never seen more to this "crossbreeding needs weather to work" than forum whispers.

Yes, I'd too also love to see the SE made statement or proof of this.

And to no-one in particular;

Honestly, I still maintain that at the end of the day, gardening is not a way to make gil. It's something done because you enjoy the mini-game behind it. I find it relaxing.

So maybe that whole gardening mini-game is well replaced with Yoshi's P Island - making house gardening abandoned content like Airships than Submarines (which are still getting small updates).

[Siniztor]

Although one can imagine it's tied up in the randomness of the crossbreed success/results calculation, I've never seen more to this "crossbreeding needs weather to work" than forum whispers.

Yes, I'd too also love to see the SE made statement or proof of this.

And to no-one in particular;

Honestly, I still maintain that at the end of the day, gardening is not a way to make gil. It's something done because you enjoy the mini-game behind it. I find it relaxing.

So maybe that whole gardening mini-game is well replaced with Yoshi's P Island - making house gardening abandoned content like Airships than Submarines (which are still getting small updates).

I agree 95% the time you wont make money off gardening..Most wanna do it for in game items or because they actual like gardening....
Doing it with out inveting money into is hard. .lest it use to be when you could only get 1 grade 3 soil every 24 hours in game (befoe they added them to retainer missions for mining)..

The island i dont think will replace the want for normal gardens simple because what you grow only works in the island..

The workshop id kill for..I just got in a small fc making the last part for sub level 1 now.. for me its the housing glam in the workshop... I can solo gather all the items for a glam and make plenty of money... when they first drop 5mil for afternoon work now 1 mil or a few hours work that I can dowile i work from home ..meaning i can walk away from gathering to take care of any calls i get with no problem and not making people wait

[Jojoya]

Although one can imagine it's tied up in the randomness of the crossbreed success/results calculation, I've never seen more to this "crossbreeding needs weather to work" than forum whispers.

Yes, I'd too also love to see the SE made statement or proof of this.

And to no-one in particular;

Honestly, I still maintain that at the end of the day, gardening is not a way to make gil. It's something done because you enjoy the mini-game behind it. I find it relaxing.

So maybe that whole gardening mini-game is well replaced with Yoshi's P Island - making house gardening abandoned content like Airships than Submarines (which are still getting small updates).

I'll see if I can track it down. I want to say YoshiP gave it as an answer in a Q&A panel sometime back in Stormblood.

I have a feeling the underlying problem is really the garden patch needing weather to determine animations with crossbreeding needing the garden patch.

I agree 95% the time you wont make money off gardening.

Oh, you definitely can make gil off gardening but it takes commitment and can start feeling tedious after a while.

[Siniztor]

I'll see if I can track it down. I want to say YoshiP gave it as an answer in a Q&A panel sometime back in Stormblood.

I have a feeling the underlying problem is really the garden patch needing weather to determine animations with crossbreeding needing the garden patch.

Yea i've look for this post and all i can find is the same thing i've said.

"Weather dose not effect the plants them self However, it does have an impact on the character animation when you tend the plant"

Meaning sun = water can rain = pat the soil...
There is no other reason...

However apartments/housing are all ready tied to time... aka when your windows light up or go dark on the inside and out...So if they took out the code to pat in the rain seems like they could do it

[AmiableApkallu]

Since weather is an issue when it comes to gardening, they could make a dedicated instanced garden area with weather that would be accessible in a way similar to inn rooms/GC rooms.

Each apartment building has a "community" chocobo stable for its residents. I could imagine adding a "community" garden that works similarly to the stable.

Visually, you'd see two plots out in front of the building, one of which is yours, if you're working a plot. Anyone could perform strictly beneficial actions on any of the plots. The housing wards already have weather, so that'd come along for free.