CC Casual is already meta'd out, so it's no longer casual/fun

[Charak]

At its release everyone was playing the system fully and testing out the new content, so there were lots of new players, many who never bothered with PvP.

Now that it's been out for awhile, alot of people finished they PvP series malmstone, so the only people remaining are the people who focus PvP.

While it is true that the majority of MMO players dislike PvP, imagine walking into this system as a new player now and getting stomped by players who only focused CC and figured out metas to win in under a 1min. Those players will never come back to the system and it'll be abandon liked feast was.

Not sure what the fix are but it sucks that a new system is left to rot for a handful of players gatekeeping people out of the system.

[ThaCa]

At least on Light the matches are full of clueless people playing whatever with occasionaly Crystals playing off-Jobs.

When you can top team damage as PLD it should tell you the level of play in Casual matches.

[GordonGeeko]

Not sure what casual games you've been playing on Aether, but it couldn't be further from meta'd out. You're lucky if you get casual games where more than 2 people do above 100k damage (barely an exaggeration). Half the people if not more still have their Makai title which means they are still working on Garo stuff.

[Ransu]

??? Casual mode still seems super casual to me, especially compared to crystal ranked matches.

[Gserpent]

Meta?

There are no classes that are so overpowered that "meta" becomes relevant in casual queue, which features no matchmaking and a majority of players don't even know gameplay basics. AST is probably the strongest class in the game now after the BLM Ice nerf, but it's nowhere near so strong that it can just snap its fingers and win games.

Honestly, at low skill I think RDM is probably the strongest class? Very high damage with little to no startup and players in that bracket aren't going to be any good at punishing the RDM diving into their team.

[Risvertasashi]

??? Casual mode still seems super casual to me, especially compared to crystal ranked matches.

Kinda depends, in my experience. Some matches have 2~5 people that don't have recuperate on their hotbar. Some are completely full of crystal-level players.

This is why dedicated pvp games have MMR even in their casual modes, so high end players don't end up stomping newbies and all that. But I don't think FF14 pvp has a big enough playerbase to make that viable.

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In any case, I've been telling people from the start: If you're new, you'll probably have a better experience in ranked since high-rank players can't curbstomp you there. YMMV with queue times though.

[Osmond]

..........I usually look at this. If there's a class, a faction, a character that isn't adjusted to where you're pretty much forced to play another to reach high rank, to play the meta, then the content isn't fun anymore. Yes, you can play any other job in the game, but ppl have a character, faction, class they strictly main to represent that their baby. It's normal so you not seeing anything new. This happened in fighting games, moba, etc. Casuals will play for awhile, but once it reaches to where the loses becomes to the point you risking quitting the game, no one will play that content other than hardcore pvp players. YES, there is a meta....sorry. That's how it is in EVERY PLAYER VS PLAYER CONTENT IN EVERY GENRE.

[GordonGeeko]

I feel like people will play casual CC for a long time as long as the battle pass rewards or stuff like Garo mounts keep coming and are nice. The FFXIV player base is very rewards-oriented. The fun is just a bonus.

If the rewards are obtainable with any level of skill (like battle pass), CC will be active. Feast top 100 rewards like cool armor sets or mounts were not obtainable by common players and the mode was a lot less fun (at least that's what I think most people would agree on), that's why less people queued. I don't think CC is going to have that problem, but who knows.

[Risvertasashi]

I don't think CC is going to have that problem, but who knows.

I'm not quite so confident because the top 100 rewards and infrastructure are still there. Right now it's just portraits but that's not enough to give me confidence that SE isn't going to start pumping mounts and whatever else into there...

[GordonGeeko]

Yeah I think they are in a tough spot. If they add exclusive rewards to ranked, it will create so much stress because there's way more than 100 people per data center playing and it would bring a lot of the more casual players, making the problem even worse and hurting casual queues. If they do nothing, people might lose interest because they don't see the point if it's just new portraits with a different number on it. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.