RIP SAM - no reverts planned for 6.2

[CelestiCer]

What annoys me is the fact the mods refuse to ban him. He's just outright trolling and being passive aggressive. Its why I just threw him on ignore.

Look how much is being posted in a singular day on Samurai threads to basically provoke only.

All the same emptiness of nothing constructive, just blatant taunting. Then again it showcases how much the Mods ignore forum moderating as much as SE ignoring feedback. When I use Samurai posts as factual references from Samurai main sources on Samurai feedback threads, I get the hammer treatment. Double standard, but hey? at least it's good entertainment.

Edit: and my evidence of Samurai links as discussion point just removed on top of it.
Goodjob Moderators amirite?

[Quyn]

Look how much is being posted in a singular day on Samurai threads to basically provoke only.

All the same emptiness of nothing constructive, just blatant taunting. Then again it showcases how much the Mods ignore forum moderating as much as SE ignoring feedback. When I use Samurai posts as factual references from Samurai main sources on Samurai feedback threads, I get the hammer treatment. Double standard, but hey? at least it's good entertainment.

Edit: and my evidence of Samurai links as discussion point just removed on top of it.
Goodjob Moderators amirite?

Which forum conduct, does thread/ reply linking, even break ? Not getting why those are being removed.

[CelestiCer]

Which forum conduct, does thread/ reply linking, even break ? Not getting why those are being removed.

Of course no reason given in the mail report when it happens.

The argument even was started about Samurai mains liking the 6.1 horrible changes. I replied with an overwhelming amount of evidence in the form of links/threads/youtubevideo feedback from creditable sources, proving factually that we do indeed care to the point of an outrage vs the misinformation from the troll with near no source of backing that Samurai mains love the changes are false.

Unfortunately the " Supposedly-Not-biased/Not-illiterate " mods, seems to not be able to tell a difference between what's troll with malice intent and what's actual feedback. Probably over 100 troll spamming posts in multiple threads targeted towards the same player-base unpunished. Even if taken seriously, said person ignores all factual sources/evidence/argument points and avoids discussions with proof of no knowledge or history of playing Samurai at all to back anything said person writes which 99% of the time are insults.

Furthermore I can't tell if the mods like the SE Dev's if they even play the game to be informed enough on what is indeed spam/troll/malice. They can't seem to even be able to read what are clearly spamming insults, and that's putting it quite lightly. Even if they did? they seem very much MIA 24/7 until something looks a tad to rude because a group is being taunted to much by the taunter who acts like the victim riding the thin line of passive aggressiveness and presto, hammer-time.

Lets be real, not everyone will use the Blacklist feature nor even the report feature enough. And new readers will possibly even see malice intent feedback as truth even if it has no creditable sources. But even if that is the case which it very well can be due to an actual difference of opinion? Being insulted for over what seems near 5 months with intent to only rile up players? with no repercussions? Seems like the Mods are not doing their jobs. Which I don't even know I am allowed to question? Cause others who will might also get another replay of " MC-Hammer ", but here goes nothing. Pressing that " Post quick Reply ".

[Vencio]

Or perhaps you’re wondering why indeed they would when, despite your logical efforts, you resorted into spamming the same topic & reiterate further your subjective input that which you thought by bringing sheer numbers of minded-like individuals ought to persuade or turn the tide to revert something that already took place (Kaiten).

Furthermore, your condescending behaviour & reluctance to go with the changes speaks highlights & I too would’ve grown bored for however many SAM posts with this “ordeal” has been repetitive…you thought this was WoW/Blizzard to express & reinforced disappointment as a means to call out a company you solely still are subscribed too?

6.2’s looming in closer, enjoy the changes -Sips Elezen Wine-

[CelestiCer]

This was mentioned on a FFXIV stream, but SE's attitude to not address negative PvE combat changes is reflective of their Ego similar to Blizzard for WoW with:

• Don't you guys have Phones?
• You think you do, but you don't

I am at least not as condescending as SE thinking we're to dumb to play their game, or make NFT sales. But I agree with you " a Revert is the best course of action " indeed and I agree not just Kaiten also the other negative changes until something is done to fix it all. However... at this point, a response as the bare minimum to the feedback they requested is fitting.

Rather I am subscribed or not is irrelevant to the topic of SE's poor actions, specially to the Samurai changes we dislike. I still play, I still enjoy the game, even made an Ishgard themed house decor you can check it at " Emp. Diabolos, Ward15, Plot32 " on a budget. Heck you can even check my FFlogs of my recent activities, most if not all groups just me trying to help people farm loot and even clear content. Which you should try out rather then sipping Square's Juices/ Wine.

[Mortex]

That's all reasonable.

The recent surge of SAM feedback on Kaiten encouraged Healers to post in DPS forums, mainly because the removal of meaningful skills is something we know better than anyone. My hope is that if enough attention is garnered around the removal of Kaiten, it will shed light on Healer feedback as well. (And I have no shame in saying that I would personally find it unfair if Kaiten is returned to SAM and no abilities were brought back to Healers).

The Healer Forum also feels like a "Forum to Ignore" marker has been placed on it...

This isn’t a war between healer, dps and tanks. We are all In this boat together. They gonna keep dumping down jobs until we get at wow lvls of job identity. Ofc people don’t give a fluff if it doesn’t happen to them, but at this point it isn’t looking good for dps either. They ignore anyone at this point and they only talk if we “get rude about it”. Of course before then they didn’t do anything. I do think the root of this problem is that the job design team is comprised of only 4 individuals that effectively have no clue about 70 % of the jobs.

[Vencio]

EW was the real calamity which brought a cataclysmic of change sorts to all the game’s concepts, all while the devs remain idle or simply disregard the public’s acknowledgement of their direction in general.

On this I agree

[Tetsujin]

Why do you guys get mad at Vencio then keep replying knowing he's a troll? He just seems to come and post mild stuff against the grain. Not useful, I agree. Not welcome sometimes, I get that too. That being said, just ignore the fellow if it's that bad, block him/filter if there's an option. Maybe it's a generational thing but it's pretty funny how invested he is in his forum character. I don't think he's the malicious type either. I mean, come on man. Sometimes he's casting bait the size of the empire state building and 3 people rush to bite on. One should know better.

EW was the real calamity which brought a cataclysmic of change sorts to all the game’s concepts, all while the devs remain idle or simply disregard the public’s acknowledgement of their direction in general.

On this I agree

Hey, Vencio, while you're here, how do we pronounce your name? Ven-chi-o like Italians? Ven-see-o?

[Vencio]

Why do you guys get mad at Vencio then keep replying knowing he's a troll? He just seems to come and post mild stuff against the grain. Not useful, I agree. Not welcome sometimes, I get that too. That being said, just ignore the fellow if it's that bad, block him/filter if there's an option. Maybe it's a generational thing but it's pretty funny how invested he is in his forum character. I don't think he's the malicious type either. I mean, come on man. Sometimes he's casting bait the size of the empire state building and 3 people rush to bite on. One should know better.



Hey, Vencio, while you're here, how do we pronounce your name? Ven-chi-o like Italians? Ven-see-o?

Ven-syoh,

It’s confusing for most

[Supersnow845]

Why do you guys get mad at Vencio then keep replying knowing he's a troll? He just seems to come and post mild stuff against the grain. Not useful, I agree. Not welcome sometimes, I get that too. That being said, just ignore the fellow if it's that bad, block him/filter if there's an option. Maybe it's a generational thing but it's pretty funny how invested he is in his forum character. I don't think he's the malicious type either. I mean, come on man. Sometimes he's casting bait the size of the empire state building and 3 people rush to bite on. One should know better.



Hey, Vencio, while you're here, how do we pronounce your name? Ven-chi-o like Italians? Ven-see-o?

Honestly at this point I think it’s people trying to keep the Kaiten threads alive by sending them back to the forum top every time

The last time any of the 4 Kaiten threads had any reasonable discussion outside of Vencio being a troll or not was like 4 weeks ago