Thread: RIP SAM - no reverts planned for 6.2

I find it crazy that a DPS loses 1 skill and everybody loses their minds. They even announced that Crit Buffs will increase the damage of guaranteed critical hits. Healers on average lose 4-5 abilities/gcds per expansion and become increasingly dull. Talk about a double standard.

Originally Posted by IllyaPrisma

I find it crazy that a DPS loses 1 skill and everybody loses their minds. They even announced that Crit Buffs will increase the damage of guaranteed critical hits. Healers on average lose 4-5 abilities/gcds per expansion and become increasingly dull. Talk about a double standard.

Great Logic. Let's apply your logic to removing 1 skill from other Jobs making them probably not lose their minds... lets see...

• Fell Cleave
• Trick Attack
• Glare
• Life Surge
• Verthunder
• Broil IV
• Atonement
• Souleater
• Fan Dance
• Dragon Kick
• Fire IV
• Bloodletter
• Mountain Buster
• Dosis III
• Fall Malefic
• Slice

I think I forgot MCH? but honestly Square doesn't care about MCH amirite? so! Do you think players would be happy if those skills were gone? poof! no explanation. But you know what? you're still performing well! in fact your potencies are added and transferred around. Better yet! More Auto-Crit! how about that?

Idc about the Nr1 Damage or what have you, it's Gameplay lost. I don't main healer to know their exact grievances? but Kaiten gone, Tenka Goken as a non-tab-targetable Fart Circle now, and Auto Crit adjustments are a lot more then just 1 button btw.


But if you want to talk about double standards?

• Healers posting on Samurai threads about Healer grievances
• Samurai's not posting about Samurai anything on Healer threads

At least not from me compared to you and a bunch of other healers...

Originally Posted by Deithwen

What's even crazier is how misinformed people feel compelled to give their uneducated opinion about a matter they clearly have no idea about.

Some flat insult with no foundation or explanation. Okay.

Here are just a few examples:

Bio
Bio II
Miasma
Miasma II (all lost and consolidated)
Shadowflare
Bane
Virus
Rouse
One Whole Fairy
Aero
Aero II
Aero III (all lost and consolidated)
Divine Seal
Fluid Aura
Cleric Stance (5% damage buff removed)
Combust
Combust II (all lost and consolidated)
Stella
Time Dilation
Sleeve Draw
Royal Road
Nocturnal Sect
Disable
All card effects reduced to generic damage buffs

Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Healers, the reason why the Kaiten thing is getting so much attention is because it's the removal of something that actually matters a lot and will make it less fun to play

Each of the abilities listed above made healers feel unique, fun and impactful, just like Kaiten.

Originally Posted by IllyaPrisma

Some flat insult with no foundation or explanation. Okay.

Here are just a few examples:

Bio
Bio II
Miasma
Miasma II (all lost and consolidated)
Shadowflare
Bane
Rouse
One Whole Fairy
Aero
Aero II
Aero III (all lost and consolidated)
Divine Seal
Fluid Aura
Cleric Stance (5% damage buff removed)
Combust
Combust II (all lost and consolidated)
Stella
Time Dilation
Sleeve Draw
Royal Road
Nocturnal Sect
All card effects reduced to generic damage buffs



Each of the abilities listed above made healers feel unique, fun and impactful, just like Kaiten.

And? "We didn't complain enough and took all that SE shoved onto our faces because we are parasocially dependent on a bunch of "devs" that couldn't care less if we ceased existing, and so should you"? Is that the crux of your argument? Because if Yoshida's complacency as a has-been is all that takes to appease you, you are in good company with this award-winning "positive" community. Because I (and most other samurai players) cannot care less about you "defending" asinine "decisions" this "dev" team made because "but but others have it worse waaaaaahaaaa".

Originally Posted by IllyaPrisma

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That sounds like another great Healer thread... that shouldn't be discussed in this Samurai thread...or the DPS section?

We're not here to have a flaccid contest on which genitals are being made the most flaccid, which chest is the flattest or which buns are the least... bunfull? (wait what?)

== Very Simple ==

• Samurai Issues
• Samurai Thread
• Samurai Changes
• Samurai requested Feedback
• Samurai Feedback Given
• Samurai Feedback ignored

== That's it ==

Very sorry ( not even being sarcastic here, I mean it ) on what healers have lost. I pointed that out a lot of times in other discussions and post to showcase the lack of care Square has yes. I just don't believe in pinning players against players.

Feedback was ignored, and a Job was made dull and boring and yes people are losing their minds or at the least plenty are having a lot less fun * unrelated to their DPS performance * just gameplay.

I am just getting so tired at the 30th idk what healer post this is at this point about Healers on Samurai threads =___=; to somehow discredit or devalue Samurai's negative changes? like I don't even know what the point of this is. They all been negative gameplay changes... like where are we going with this...

Originally Posted by CelestiCer

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Because the healer community has been vocal about their disappointment for years now. I understand your frustration and the lack of feedback or anything meaningful regarding the job you love. But we have never ever EVER gotten any sort of response. No acknowledgment. Zip. Nada. "Go Play Ultimate". The SAM community will continue to be vocal, as will the entire healer community. At this point however, I firmly believe that nothing will come of it.

Originally Posted by IllyaPrisma

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That's something at least I can agree on.

I went to the Healer Double Standard thread just now and glanced over it. I just do not believe in pinning players against players. As if my 8 months of playing somehow should equate to having enough knowledge to talk or have empathy for another Job or Role. The forum experience of my 1st few posts were met with healers shaming my feedback on the Samurai changes on Samurai threads? on the DPS subsection. Like really? That's my FFXIV intro to the forum...

Grievance Comparison's can go into the bin. Bad Changes are Bad changes, and Square just needs to do something about it, period. I have experienced plenty of years throughout MMORPG's with negative changes. A good reason why I am so vocal on the only Job I play, I do not want to see FFXIV getting worse. But I don't want it to be a " protest simulator ". PVE combat related? I play only Samurai, I know mostly only Samurai, I give feedback only on Samurai. That's it, and you'd be surprised that plenty of Forum accounts like mine are made purely cause of negative Samurai changes that equate more then just 1 button removal.

I and plenty others probably do not want to be shamed however...
into caring about something they do not have passion for nor another job or role they do not play...

Originally Posted by IllyaPrisma

Because the healer community has been vocal about their disappointment for years now. I understand your frustration and the lack of feedback or anything meaningful regarding the job you love. But we have never ever EVER gotten any sort of response. No acknowledgment. Zip. Nada. "Go Play Ultimate". The SAM community will continue to be vocal, as will the entire healer community. At this point however, I firmly believe that nothing will come of it.

I would like to point out to anyone who's been around for a long while, that a majority of the Samurai posters have never used the forums until 6.1 was announced. Even folks who have played since stormblood, like myself.

But we specifically came here in response to what we were told to do. So if you find our efforts pointless, you know who to blame for the sudden influx of activity all talking about one topic.