Thread: RIP SAM - no reverts planned for 6.2

Celes, you need a vacation

PS: Still down for roulettes?

Originally Posted by Vencio

Celes, you need a vacation

PS: Still down for roulettes?

I'll pass. I am down for the current tier

• Asphodelos: The First Circle (Savage)
• Asphodelos: The Second Circle (Savage)
• Asphodelos: The Third Circle (Savage)
• Asphodelos: The Fourth Circle (Savage)

What say you :3

Originally Posted by CelestiCer

I'll pass. I am down for the current tier

• Asphodelos: The First Circle (Savage)
• Asphodelos: The Second Circle (Savage)
• Asphodelos: The Third Circle (Savage)
• Asphodelos: The Fourth Circle (Savage)

What say you :3

Sigh….got me there..you’re good

Originally Posted by Hezhi

That's fine by me but why should I have to wait 2 years for my job to potentially not be kneecapped again. Going by SE's recent track record we're never going to get anything back.
They could have literally nothing at all and then rolled changes in 7.0 along with a new expac and none would be here complaining.

Yes, sadly right on the money with that point, I cannot argue at all.
I expect there is a reason for that but that doesn't make it acceptable.

Originally Posted by Quyn

Yes, sadly right on the money with that point, I cannot argue at all.
I expect there is a reason for that but that doesn't make it acceptable.

A lot of why people are mad is because of that. They put it out there, they told people to "please try it and leave feedback". We did that. 6.1 released... 4/12, and the live letter was... 8/12. So, exactly 4 months apart that they've had feedback from us. Not even counting the lead up to 6.1 with people telling them to not implement the changes due to how bad they felt to play (you could play the job without using kaiten before to get a feel of it.)

Over the span of that 4 months, nothing. Zip. Nada. Not once have they said "yeah, we hear you", which took me all of 3 seconds at most to type. Probably another minute to put it out there due to finishing this post. We've been provided reasons for the changes, but that was literally before the patch went in and it also came with "please try it". They've had time to gather data over that span of 4 months, and even had to panic buff pieces in the rotation because a meme rotation that almost ignored two parts of it was objectively competitive to the developer intended rotation. To me that screams "poorly thought out" changes. You can argue that they wanted us to test it, but they have access to the same damage logs that we the players do. If the devs are struggling to figure out things that people in the Balance can figure out, then they need to expand the team and internal testing.

People may think when we're talking about their changes, we're acting disrespectful. Thing is, it's a two way street. You don't treat someone like an idiot and expect them to help you later down the road. If SE gave us the same attention they did when black mage was having its pvp thing (literally changes were explained within a DAY), then people would be a bit less upset. Being ignored and lied to tend to make people angry, and if being nice doesn't get someone's attention, more crude responses are going to be the follow up.

Second post because 3000 characters per post, lolol.

That being said, if they wanted to remove kaiten, this whole situation could've been handled better, end of story. The timing for it is hilariously bad, the fact that they couldn't settle on a reason is another thing and are (maybe?) giving an actual reason on the 23rd is another. The fact that they had to spend time panic fixing their changes too, again, shows how ill thought out they were. And lastly, what problem they hoped to fix with the changes. None of us really see the problem because samurai wasn't overperforming in its role, nor was it massively underperforming. Its burst windows were high, but whether they were god-tier bursts or meh bursts, didn't change whether you could complete the encounter successfully. You could already see because of the backlash the reworks for ast and drg were pushed back to 7.0. And if they wanted to rework samurai (rather than kneecap the job now), they should've waited till 7.0. And as someone pointed out, I don't want to wait 2 years for potential fixes. We can look at the state of healers and see how long they've been waiting for something more than just 1-2-1-1-1-1-1 for however long till you have to refresh your dot. Doesn't instill much confidence.

Originally Posted by Ruminous

Second post because 3000 characters per post, lolol.

just a side note : you can overcome that limit by posting your reply and then editing it, removing any restrictions.
/edit, ah ive been beat to it, hah.

Originally Posted by Quyn

just a side note : you can overcome that limit by posting your reply and then editing it, removing any restrictions.
/edit, ah ive been beat to it, hah.

Good to know. I tried just posting it under advanced and it still dinged me with 3k characters. Honestly, I don't see why there's a limit that small.