Thread: Revert summoner to 5.55 while re-reworking it please?

Originally Posted by Renathras

Wait, what? If you're spamming Ruin, you're doing it wrong. You should only even cast Ruin MAYBE twice per minute, which is less than old SMN did. The variations while under Primal effects are not Ruin, don't cast like Ruin, and don't work like Ruin. Garuda's are instant casts with a reduced GCD. Titan's are instant cast with an oGCD to weave between them, and Ifrit's is a GCD cast longer than the GCD itself. NOT ONE OF THESE is like Ruin. And if you're going to say "That's just Ruin with a different flavor", then Miasma, Bio, and Egi Assault were "just Ruin with a different flavor", too.

Oh word man, this GCD that is just flat damage with no preamble, setup, or consequence is totally not at all like this other GCD that is just flat damage with no preamble, setup, or consequence. Instant cast totally makes them more interesting. .3 seconds added to 2 of them per minute is totally different.

Miasma, Bio, and Egi-Assault had plenty to separate them mechanically from spamming one button for 45 seconds, before swapping over to another TOTALLY UNIQUE AND FUN NOT-RUIN GCD for the next 15s.

Originally Posted by Renathras

It's "fine" because all the pieces work together

Are you sure? How does Aetherflow work with anything now? How does Ruin 4 work with anything? How does Carbuncle really work with anything? How do Arcanum summons work with the Demi summons? Is Demis shitting out the gems being the only relation really fine?

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Can we please stop bringing up Miasma and Bio until Necromancer becomes a thing. Of all the spells and mechanics those are the absolute least likely to ever return.

Or they could just bring them back to SCH. Because creating an entirely new job just to satisfy the people who liked old SMN seems asinine when Scholar is literally right there as the other summon job.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Can we please stop bringing up Miasma and Bio until Necromancer becomes a thing. Of all the spells and mechanics those are the absolute least likely to ever return.

I feel like pointing out that YoshiP said 2 jobs would for sure never be open to the WoL as they are to "evil" in his opinion.
Those jobs being Thief and Necromancer.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Ok so explain Reaper.

Reapers ain't evil tho, they are a form of combat for a magically lacking people to fight against magic by forming a contract with a voidsent. A voidsent isn't exactly evil they're just starving and willing to do anything for Aether.

Now Thiefs I don't agree with him about being evil and Rouge should of upgraded into it with Ninja having its own job.

But you can't tell me that Nerco isn't evil, messing with the bodies of the dead is very evil. Plus If they ever did decide to add Necro they'd have to never give a skeleton summon or make multiple skins for it as China bans any game with skeletons being featured. (They usually get reskinned to Zombies)

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Ok so give Necromancer the ability to summon zombies in China and let other players have a cool dark themed caster. I don't care for arguments based on good or evil. People don't always want to play a "good" character.

That's fine, but YoshiP, the director of this game said no. I'm not arguing for or against it just saying what he said and that was "its not happening"

Originally Posted by Baxcel

I feel like pointing out that YoshiP said 2 jobs would for sure never be open to the WoL as they are to "evil" in his opinion.
Those jobs being Thief and Necromancer.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Ok so explain Reaper.

Soul-stealing is fine. It's not (typically) exchangeable for monetary value.

And as long as they've been disfigured enough from the collapse of their shard, it's not really bringing people back from (un)death when you summon voidsent.