Thread: Revert summoner to 5.55 while re-reworking it please?

I don't like these kind of posts just because I think of what the SMN rework could have been and I get sad with what we got (a simplified ranged dps with no room for personal improvement)

Originally Posted by tearagion

Any productive effort put into the job at all would be nice. As it is now it's the lowest effort piece of garbage they've ever slapped together. The actual worst case scenario of a rework.

You could not be more wrong. While SMN may be overly simplified at present. There was a job rework in Stormblood that actually broke a job so badly most of the playerbase avoided it like the plague for the entire expansion.

On the summoner side of things. Going back is not the answer. It’s easy to look back with rose tinted glasses but summoner was pretty despised last expac and needed a rework. As others have said the idea they are going with is great. It’s an actual summoner. The execution… admittedly could be more fleshed out. It’s too streamlined at this point and needs something more.

So rather than ask for a rollback (which again as has been said before will never happen.) maybe think of new ways to build on what they have made and focus your energies there. May have better chances of getting your wish. (Still not great chances but better than asking for a rollback)

I just don’t understand why we don’t have Shiva, Ramuh and Leviathan? This baffles me honestly. The current summoner we have feels very unfinished. It’s like they wanted to do more but ran out of time on the job and had to move to the next job to meet the deadlines.

I’m so tired of the same 3 summons not counting Demi’s we’ve had since ARR. I understand the lore but they changed Astros card lore so they can definitely change summoners lore to give us more primals.

Are they seriously going to make us wait all the way until 7.0 just to give us a trait at level 100 that will give us the rest of the elemental primals?

Originally Posted by Darkpaw

You could not be more wrong. While SMN may be overly simplified at present. There was a job rework in Stormblood that actually broke a job so badly most of the playerbase avoided it like the plague for the entire expansion.

On the summoner side of things. Going back is not the answer. It’s easy to look back with rose tinted glasses but summoner was pretty despised last expac and needed a rework. As others have said the idea they are going with is great. It’s an actual summoner. The execution… admittedly could be more fleshed out. It’s too streamlined at this point and needs something more.

So rather than ask for a rollback (which again as has been said before will never happen.) maybe think of new ways to build on what they have made and focus your energies there. May have better chances of getting your wish. (Still not great chances but better than asking for a rollback)

I didn't say it was the worst rework (though I think that could be debated easily), or the most poorly balanced rework. I said it was the lowest effort rework.

"Lowest Effort" ... fascinating.

Originally Posted by SweetPete

I just don’t understand why we don’t have Shiva, Ramuh and Leviathan? This baffles me honestly.

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Are they seriously going to make us wait all the way until 7.0 just to give us a trait at level 100 that will give us the rest of the elemental primals?

Although having more primals are nice, adding more primals like Shiva, Ramuh and Leviathan does not add any depth to the job, you will just be using rite, catastrophe and astral flow of different elements.

Originally Posted by fulminating

People who like the rework dislike that it doesn't go far enough - no leviathan, shiva nor ramuh -

Do SMN rly need even more summons tho?
I definitely think there is such a thing as too much, SMN already has five which is quite a lot ( six if you count Carbuncle ).
I think the issue is moreso that the rotations in them aren't that engaging and I also think that they don't last long enough it feels like you're speedrunning the summons.
I'd honestly rather have less summons but more engaging and longer lasting ones, or at least have some choice involved.

Some summons could be AoE related, others Single-Target and others utility.
Then again people hyperfocus on damage I think the risk is that the utility summon will become irrelevant.
But still, I dunno about even more summons.

I mean we enter territory here of favoritism I think, people are basically upset that their favorite Primal isn't a summon.
I think that will always be the case tho but you'll end up with people requesting them.
I don't think it's necessarily good for the Job tho especially not if one wants more engaging rotations, I think the amount of summons may even be one of the reason why it was simplified so much.
When your hotbars change so much and so frequently I don't think they want to overwhelm people so they kept it simple.

I'd like stuff like dots in Phoenix for example and maybe combo spells leading up to Akh Morn or something.
Just take the existing summons and make them more interesting and imo at least make it feel less like you're speedrunning and rushing through summons.