Remove two Summoner butons?

[Kulve]

Other than "Herp derp, SMN is already too simple!", is there any reason for Ruin 1/2/3 and Outburst/Tri-Disaster not to just be Gemshine and Precious Brilliance's base form? Like, you're never going to cast Ruin 3 if Titan, Garuda, or Ifrit are out. It's a DPS loss in all cases, and in Titan and Garuda, a mobility loss as well. The low levels are even just <Color> Ruin anyway. And the same argument holds for Outburst. Even moreso than this, in Trances, Ruin 1/2/3 and Outburst/Tri-Disaster DO convert to the spam attack of Bahamut/Phoenix phases anyway, during which Gemshine/Precious Brilliance, as you note, do absolutely nothing instead.

It'd make far more sense to just make the base form of the Gemshine button Ruin.

I think that's what you're saying here, and if so, I completely agree.

Not because I think SMN needs to be simplier, but because I think it's honestly just logical to do that.

There is no loss in dps if you cast a Ruin 3 just once in between Demi's. This jobs rotation is hard fixed to use all summons, all gems, all astrals, and still 2 gcds left to cast Ruin 3 & Ruin 4. The reason why they didn't do what is being suggested is because it allows just the SLIGHT bit of flexibility it has to push the summons that is more effective or lines up better.

This bloat that is being experienced is from how the job has been designed at its core. Combine both spells to one button and you only further the rigidity of the job that will create more negative friction.

[Aurikai]

I agree summoner is way too complicated, if I wanted to play a hard class I would play a reaper.

[darkdyllon]

I don't get what there is left to simplify with summoner... They definitely don't have a button bloat problem so I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish other than turning the summoner 1 button macro into just normal gameplay for them.

when i look at my summoner hotbar it's literally filled with holes.
the "new" abilities are in other places where the old abilities used to be and previously i had nearly filled 2 full controller hotbars (which was fine) now each hotbar has massive holes everywhere.

[SadSummonerMain]

Instead of removing two buttons, they need to add 3, and fix the three that are designed to troll Summoner mains who have been playing it since ARR. The recent trend of reducing complexity is NOT a good thing.

[Shiroe]

remove the buttons and add one dot, leave the other for a role action / potions

[ThorneDynasty]

remove the buttons and add one dot, leave the other for a role action / potions

Hmm. Let me slightly alter this statement:

remove the buttons and add one dot, leave the other for glorified role actions

My god, it's a healer!

[MellowMink]

There are absolutely use cases where casting Ruin III or Tri-Disaster would be justified during elemental summon stages, even at maximum level: Your typical rotation has room to have one tossed in per minute, plus there may be unplanned cases where you can’t finish hard-casting certain Ifrit spells and would rather cast something with a smaller cast time instead of casting nothing, so I don’t like the idea of further reducing player agency by making it so that they can only cast it after everything else has already been used. It being usable at any point isn’t button bloat; it adds a bit more complexity and rotation variance, which Summoner needs more of, not less.

If you’re worried about button bloat, which currently seems like a nonexistent problem for Summoner, then ask for the removal of Physick first, although I would rather that spell have its stats adjusted.

[Dyvid]

I have a better idea... why not make SMN autopilot while we just watch it do the fights?

Please don't give this dev team any more ideas lol. I'm sure one of them just said "What a great idea for people that need to go AFK during a fight!"

[SieyaM]

While yeah you probably could do this and not make any real difference, the way it is now does allow people to use Ruin III while attuned to a summon without spending any of the charges. I cant imagine why you would want to use Ruin III instead of a gemshine charge, but you can.

[Sequora]

Yeah summoner is the last job that needs buttons removed. Do we know? Does it have the least?