Rework SAM LB

[Ooblong]

It was a fun novelty week 1. It's trash now.

Scripts where you get CC'd (poly, silence, bind) the instant Kuzushi buff is applied is so broken. Scripts are never going to get fixed. Having to wait till poly/silence is used before you use Chiten isn't counterplay. It's just bad design.

Not to mention it takes forever to build an LB bar make it almost useless all fight.

Am I the only one who thinks it's trash?

[Gserpent]

Nah, it's fine. SAM with LB has a lot of power, because if they have LB available you have to be careful for them to pop Chiten at an unexpected time. Them doing that and you not having a stun ready will get your team wiped out. It's a good way of passively forcing out CC. You can pop Chiten and not even try to LB, just because the second they see Chiten they are either going to have to CC lock you, or completely ignore you. That's CC not going on your friends, or it's several seconds of you doing whatever you feel like doing.

Scripts are a thing but they are rare, and they don't do anything that can't be done by human hands. Focus macros and keybinds would allow a WHM to sheep you just as quickly as a script would do it.

I think SAM as a class needs some help, because there's not really much reason to take them over any other melee right now. But I don't think their LB really needs anything different.

[KhudusQestir]

Nah, it's fine. SAM with LB has a lot of power, because if they have LB available you have to be careful for them to pop Chiten at an unexpected time. Them doing that and you not having a stun ready will get your team wiped out. It's a good way of passively forcing out CC. You can pop Chiten and not even try to LB, just because the second they see Chiten they are either going to have to CC lock you, or completely ignore you. That's CC not going on your friends, or it's several seconds of you doing whatever you feel like doing.

Scripts are a thing but they are rare, and they don't do anything that can't be done by human hands. Focus macros and keybinds would allow a WHM to sheep you just as quickly as a script would do it.

I think SAM as a class needs some help, because there's not really much reason to take them over any other melee right now. But I don't think their LB really needs anything different.

Please don't listen to this guy, I've been seeing him in just about every forum saying how nothing is broken. You can argue but he doesn't seem to hold knowledge of what he's talking about. He was just arguing with others in another forum saying arguing about RPR that he's never played as and now educating you on SAM when he's already given me a list of what jobs he played. Don't waste your time, please.

[Gserpent]

Please don't listen to this guy, I've been seeing him in just about every forum saying how nothing is broken. You can argue but he doesn't seem to hold knowledge of what he's talking about. He was just arguing with others in another forum saying arguing about RPR that he's never played as and now educating you on SAM when he's already given me a list of what jobs he played. Don't waste your time, please.

You should try actually providing rebuttal instead of nonsense. If you think I don't know what I'm talking about, prove it by providing meaningful rebuttal. Failing to do so is effectively admitting you can't.

[ShinyChariot]

Please don't listen to this guy, I've been seeing him in just about every forum saying how nothing is broken. You can argue but he doesn't seem to hold knowledge of what he's talking about. He was just arguing with others in another forum saying arguing about RPR that he's never played as and now educating you on SAM when he's already given me a list of what jobs he played. Don't waste your time, please.

He was right about reaper though and I've played it. I think people should read what things say and come to their own educated conclusion instead of treating people like sheep and telling them who to listen to. Because I'd rather listen to a sensible take on RPR than listen to someone who's played 500 matches and still can't get it together. I don't know how often his posts have merit but I can tell for myself whether something is worth reading or not.

[Sawamura]

Funny story is samurai strongest weapon is also it self greatest weakness lol

[Ooblong]

CC + focus on you = dedge. That's not a plus side of Chiten. Actually making it better for the opposing team since focusing is always better, and you're giving them an easy indicator.

Focus macros and keybinds would allow a WHM to sheep you just as quickly as a script would do it.

nothing is as fast as a script. I've seen skyshatter be stunned as a DRG falls from the sky resulting in a wasted LB.

[Sigma860]

Had a match a while back where we wiped out the enemy team and the SAM got back first because he died first. The bloke was standing on the point like "come get me" with his LB gauge full. My team rushed in and I knew what was about to happen so I put the marker on his name on the enemy list so they could clearly see he was at full LB. Did they stop and reconsider what they were about to do? Nope. I mashed the "Fall Back!" quick chat, but it was way too late. SAM used Chiten, popped Guard to make sure he survived the ensuing gang-bang, then one-shoted them all. I didn't even try to stop him as his teammates arrived and they ran the point to the goal, I just stood there clapping for him.

That said, I still think it's a load of shite when I get killed by a SAM LB when I'm not even targeting them because I threw an AOE onto their mate who happened to be standing somewhat close to them.

[Osmond]

Sam’s LB is in a good position. They see no need to change it. Just lol, if that LB is full I don’t even mess with a SAM. Like nope, I’m out…