Anti-Exploit Measures for Caravan (Can I have it?)

[DeadRiser]

I WISH I COULD! It used to be fun to get a drop.

Now I feel like a greedy-guts because there are so many less fortunate.

Haha don't get me wrong, I have the weapons I want/need. Your luck would just be for selling them off xD

[AdvancedWind]

First off: Exploiting / leeching should be fixed, no questioning about that. As for the second argument, I can't say I'm sure about which side is right.

Yeah, caravan is suposed to be like behest, first come first serve. However, unlike behest, the rewards are meaningful enough to warrant parties dedicated to do it exclusively - it's the kind of thing linkshells get organized to do. "No one" went to do behests as their main content, outside of specific cases. Even LS groups doing behest were more like "well, it's behest time, let's get this 'free leve' and go back to our levequest sharing pt or w/e".

As such, it really was no big deal to adhere to the first come / first serve rule.

Caravan security, on the other hand, is a more focused event, specially the 45. People gather to do only that, in their 8man pt. I doubt anyone would have a problem with alternating runs with another group, as 1k seal runs usually last enough time for the pt to miss the next caravan anyways.

However, you have to admit that it's very frustrating when 1-2 guys want to do it and "depend" on your pt to be able. It's like having forced randoms join your LS event, and I can see why people might not want to do that. They're working to get their seals for their LS / pt and probably planned the event in advance explicitly for that. They can do it without you, but you can't do it without them, and you're taking the place of a member of their group.

I know it's a very bad analogy, but imagine you're in a park or w/e with a group of friends, then one of you goes to the bathroom and during that time, a random guy sits in where he was. It's not "against" the rules, but it would probably piss off the group and they would likely go find another place to sit if that random guy didn't want to leave.

[Molly_Millions]

I know it's a very bad analogy, but imagine you're in a park or w/e with a group of friends, then one of you goes to the bathroom and during that time, a random guy sits in where he was. It's not "against" the rules, but it would probably piss off the group and they would likely go find another place to sit if that random guy didn't want to leave.

You're right, it is a bad analogy, and one that needs more thought put into it. In your park scenario, you and your friends have reserved that table by sitting there. In FFXIV on the other hand, there is no way to reserve a spot in caravan escort. If anything your example serves to show why I had more of a right to be in that escort mission than the others, because I was waiting at the starting point before anyone else was there.

[HiirNoivl]

Hey! XD

Don't go undercutting the Primal Materia market now...

[DeadRiser]

Hey! XD

Don't go undercutting the Primal Materia market now...

Now if only the rare materia from the rare weapons was actually a 100% chance instead of getting DEX III

[Felis]

Hallo,

ich habe neue Infos zum Thema Karawanen-Begleitschutz für euch.

Uns wurde vermehrt berichtet, dass einzelne Spieler nach Beginn des Events direkt zum Endpunkt laufen und dort darauf warten, dass sie die Belohnung erhalten.

In Version 2.0 werden wir jedoch Anpassungen am Karawanen-Begleitschutz vornehmen und uns gleichzeitig auch mit diesem Problem auseinandersetzen.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post728879

Hello,

I have new infos about caravan escourt for you.

We have got increasing reports that some players just after the start of the event go to the end point and wait there, that they receive the reward.

In version 2.0 we will make adjustments to the caravan escort and at the same time concern with this problem.

I hope my english translation is halfway understandable.

[DeadRiser]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post728879

Hello,

I have new infos about caravan escourt for you.

We have got increasing reports that some players just after the start of the event go to the end point and wait there, that they receive the reward.

In version 2.0 we will make adjustments to the caravan escort and at the same time concern with this problem.

I hope my english translation is halfway understandable.

Kind of upsetting that it couldn't be any sooner but thanks for the translation. Need to do like GW2, the more you participate, the higher the reward is for you at the end.

[AdvancedWind]

Well, I admitted it was very bad right from the start =P.

But my main point still stands. I don't see anything inherently wrong with a party not wanting to do caravans with an outsider, even if he got there first, and I wouldn't call people who do not invite these people / ask them to leave / leave the caravan area / etc "douchebags".

They aren't doing anything wrong by wanting to do caravan only with their members, and I also think that in these situations, the solo guy should have some common sense and leave the caravan. Maybe try to get another group to do it with him, but not screw up the current party because they don't want him. No one is forced to accept him into the party; heck, as I mentioned, the solo guy wouldn't even be able to do it without a group in the first place, and most caravan groups are planned in advance, unlike behest.

Someone getting there and wanting to get in an already formed party is basically saying: "Well, you don't want to do with me? Tough luck bro, you either do it with me or no one does it at all".

[Molly_Millions]

Well, I admitted it was very bad right from the start =P.

But my main point still stands. I don't see anything inherently wrong with a party not wanting to do caravans with an outsider, even if he got there first, and I wouldn't call people who do not invite these people / ask them to leave / leave the caravan area / etc "douchebags".

They aren't doing anything wrong by wanting to do caravan only with their members, and I also think that in these situations, the solo guy should have some common sense and leave the caravan. Maybe try to get another group to do it with him, but not screw up the current party because they don't want him. No one is forced to accept him into the party; heck, as I mentioned, the solo guy wouldn't even be able to do it without a group in the first place, and most caravan groups are planned in advance, unlike behest.

Someone getting there and wanting to get in an already formed party is basically saying: "Well, you don't want to do with me? Tough luck bro, you either do it with me or no one does it at all".

You're ignoring the fact that the escort missions were designed so that nobody could reserve a spot. It's designed that way to force people to take turns. I'm sorry, but people can cry about it all they want, it's first come first served.

[AdvancedWind]

You're ignoring the fact that the escort missions were designed so that nobody could reserve a spot. I'm sorry, but people can cry about it all they want, it's first come first served.

I'm not ignoring that fact, I just consider it irrelevant in this case.

Can the random guy do it by himself? No.
The party wants to do with him? No.


What exactly someone gains by still waiting there under these conditions? It doesn't matter who got there first or that you can't reserve a spot, neither him or the party will do the caravan that way. Both sides just lose time and probably generate pointless drama that could've been avoided.

Yeah, it would be nice if the party just did with him, and I honestly would do that if I was in the party and everyone agreed with that, but if I go to a caravan security area by myself hoping to get a party, sign up for a caravan and then an entire party shows up to do it and they don't want me in, I would just leave instead of ruining their runs when I can't do it by myself anyways.