Anti-Exploit Measures for Caravan (Can I have it?)

[Jinko]

It's not instanced because it's a sort of 'solo' content, you show up solo and get a group of other people together who have done the same thing, ie shown up solo or with one or two other people. Caravan escorts are meant to be solo friendly, and casual friendly content.

Not everyone plays it that way though, I know that we normally do it as a LS, or at least as many of us who want to go at the time, its annoying when you turn up and 8 other people are already there, you either have to give up or fight each other for spaces.

Whole system is crap including behest which uses the same crappy system which has other issues of higher level players ruining it for the proper level ranges, why can't they generate multiple version of the same content with phasing *similar to battleleves*

The counter point to this is that if they did, people could not show up solo and take part in it.

How so, you would turn up solo, join a group/shout for a group and all enter the same phased instance.

Also Solo friendly is not what caravan is, we barely scraped through with 4 people the other day, how is that solo, I won't argue that its casual friendly though, but its still heavily group reliant.

[JackDaniels]

Maybe SE should add a vote kick option in XIV, I swear there was one in XI? Been a while so I could be wrong.

No. I hope they never add this. It will be abused.

[Molly_Millions]

How so, you would turn up solo, join a group/shout for a group and all enter the same phased instance.

Also Solo friendly is not what caravan is, we barely scraped through with 4 people the other day, how is that solo, I won't argue that its casual friendly though, but its still heavily group reliant.

Because it runs in regular itervals, players know when to show up for the event, or at least know to wait for it to start. This allows players to show up at the npc and do a single run if they want to without needing to commit to a group for hours on end. Really, I should have just said casual friendly, rather than solo friendly.

[LCorvus]

Happened today. A guy was crafting at Drybone by the npc as soon as we warped there. He was mid craft so he couldn't do anything. As soon as we finished the first one, he was in the next caravan and sat at camp doing nothing.

People in this community KNOW how to kill a game. As soon as I told him off for leeching, he sent his linkshell on us (3 people to our full party) and had them join up caravans. Really? Pathetic...

Happened today while I was playing, too. A guy was crafting at Drybone by the npc and joined an available caravan duty, and was immediately harrassed before it began. So, he said.. if you want to treat me like such.. I'll act like such, and sat at camp doing nothing.

He then didn't join the next duty. I went out there to do a trade and started to craft by the camp after, not having joined a duty once. As we sat there crafting, neither of us in caravan, we were harrassed by two of the party members running in the caravan party.

So, yes, some linkshell members decided they wanted to head out to do some caravans. I don't think that 4/8 is leeching. It may not have been the kindest route to take, but we weren't being treated very kindly now were we? Seems silly to be upset about the results after instigating something in such a manner.

I agree, some people in this community KNOW how to kill a game.

[Firon]

Happened today while I was playing, too. A guy was crafting at Drybone by the npc and joined an available caravan duty, and was immediately harrassed before it began. So, he said.. if you want to treat me like such.. I'll act like such, and sat at camp doing nothing.

He then didn't join the next duty. I went out there to do a trade and started to craft by the camp after, not having joined a duty once. As we sat there crafting, neither of us in caravan, we were harrassed by two of the party members running in the caravan party.

So, yes, some linkshell members decided they wanted to head out to do some caravans. I don't think that 4/8 is leeching. It may not have been the kindest route to take, but we weren't being treated very kindly now were we? Seems silly to be upset about the results after instigating something in such a manner.

I agree, some people in this community KNOW how to kill a game.

Lol that's bs i watched that guy choco to the end of the quest point and sit there and craft. He did all of this before she even said something to him.

[LCorvus]

It could be possible you were too far from whoever said it in /say, and there were tells as well from what I've heard.

Either way, it still does not excuse the behaviour that continued afterward. He did not join the next duty after that one, I never joined one until after that entire party left. However as I crafted I was getting harrassed. "Are you two fags leeching our caravan runs?", among other comments. Inexcusable.

[Firon]

It could be possible you were too far from whoever said it in /say, and there were tells as well from what I've heard.

Either way, it still does not excuse the behaviour that continued afterward. He did not join the next duty after that one, I never joined one until after that entire party left. However as I crafted I was getting harrassed. "Are you two fags leeching our caravan runs?", among other comments. Inexcusable.

No i seen someone say that after the first time your friend did it. The first time we started mission one person in our party didn't get in. So i say i hope we don't have a leach. Lux goes to Golden bazaar and see him sitting there crafting before anything was said to him.

I will admit what they said to you guys after the second run started was uncalled for but you guys bringing your ls to take spots on purpose was not any better.

[LCorvus]

I was told differently about what occurred in the first incident. Wasn't there myself, so perhaps.

But it's still not fair for you guys to think you can dictate who has the rights to a caravan, regardless of what happened. We actually had 6 people for caravan, ported to each lvl 45+ caravan and saw each one was full or did not have space for all 6 of us. So we were crafting here and there, until we were harrassed. If we weren't going to be treated with respect we found no reason to continue to sit out of an open world event. But a group of 4-5 coming to do caravans isn't stealing your spots. I agree with the previous posts that are of the same opinion.

[Firon]

I was told differently about what occurred in the first incident. Wasn't there myself, so perhaps.

But it's still not fair for you guys to think you can dictate who has the rights to a caravan, regardless of what happened. We actually had 6 people for caravan, ported to each lvl 45+ caravan and saw each one was full or did not have space for all 6 of us. So we were crafting here and there, until we were harrassed. If we weren't going to be treated with respect we found no reason to continue to sit out of an open world event. But a group of 4-5 coming to do caravans isn't stealing your spots. I agree with the previous posts that are of the same opinion.

No one told him he couldn't join us, We was waiting @ the first pop and your friend Choc'ed right pass us and i said someone just went pass us with a duty tag so lux followed and there your friend was crafting @ the end

[Noblewar]

Everyone one has a valid point except those who think they got priority because they are in a party.

But even though you have valid points the current system is flawed hugely and your ideas will simply not work.

One of the biggest problems with caravan is BLM/THM, two of them can easily duo a caravan. Anytime I see two doing them I don't even bother taking out my weapon because I will be lucky to get 1 hit in there and 1 ws off during all the fights.

The activity point system wouldn't work for the reason above. Anyone not being a BLM/THM would simply be screwed because they won't be giving the chance to do anything.