Anti-Exploit Measures for Caravan (Can I have it?)

[Molly_Millions]

Well, I admitted it was very bad right from the start =P.

But my main point still stands. I don't see anything inherently wrong with a party not wanting to do caravans with an outsider, even if he got there first, and I wouldn't call people who do not invite these people / ask them to leave / leave the caravan area / etc "douchebags".

They aren't doing anything wrong by wanting to do caravan only with their members, and I also think that in these situations, the solo guy should have some common sense and leave the caravan. Maybe try to get another group to do it with him, but not screw up the current party because they don't want him. No one is forced to accept him into the party; heck, as I mentioned, the solo guy wouldn't even be able to do it without a group in the first place, and most caravan groups are planned in advance, unlike behest.

Someone getting there and wanting to get in an already formed party is basically saying: "Well, you don't want to do with me? Tough luck bro, you either do it with me or no one does it at all".

You're ignoring the fact that the escort missions were designed so that nobody could reserve a spot. It's designed that way to force people to take turns. I'm sorry, but people can cry about it all they want, it's first come first served.

[AdvancedWind]

You're ignoring the fact that the escort missions were designed so that nobody could reserve a spot. I'm sorry, but people can cry about it all they want, it's first come first served.

I'm not ignoring that fact, I just consider it irrelevant in this case.

Can the random guy do it by himself? No.
The party wants to do with him? No.


What exactly someone gains by still waiting there under these conditions? It doesn't matter who got there first or that you can't reserve a spot, neither him or the party will do the caravan that way. Both sides just lose time and probably generate pointless drama that could've been avoided.

Yeah, it would be nice if the party just did with him, and I honestly would do that if I was in the party and everyone agreed with that, but if I go to a caravan security area by myself hoping to get a party, sign up for a caravan and then an entire party shows up to do it and they don't want me in, I would just leave instead of ruining their runs when I can't do it by myself anyways.

[Molly_Millions]

I'm not ignoring that fact, I just consider it irrelevant in this case.

Can the random guy do it by himself? No.
The party wants to do with him? No.


What exactly someone gains by still waiting there under these conditions? It doesn't matter who got there first or that you can't reserve a spot, neither him or the party will do the caravan that way. Both sides just lose time and probably generate pointless drama that could've been avoided.

Yeah, it would be nice if the party just did with him, and I honestly would do that if I was in the party and everyone agreed with that, but if I go to a caravan security area by myself hoping to get a party, sign up for a caravan and then an entire party shows up to do it and they don't want me in, I would just leave instead of ruining their runs when I can't do it by myself anyways.

what do they gain? the get the escort quest, I thought that was rather obvious. I'm sorry man, your argument carries no weight. You cannot argue that because you did the previous caravan escort that you somehow have more rights to do the next one than the guys who's been waiting 20 minutes for the last mission to complete. There are only 24 level 45 caravan escort slots on the server, and there are potentially way more people at any given time that want to do them. For this reason you must take turns and cannot reserve a spot in the next one before the NPC pops.

You can wish all you want for the system to work differently, but the fact of the matter is you are forced to take turns by design. Besides, that way is the most fair to everyone.

[AdvancedWind]

what do they gain? the get the escort quest, I thought that was rather obvious.

An escort quest that I'm pretty sure 99% of the player base cannot complete solo. I'm not talking about two parties competing and one wanting to monopolize the place.