Anti-Exploit Measures for Caravan (Can I have it?)

[Airget]

There is no reason Caravan needs to be limited to 8 people, nor pty members only. It should be an open world event where a higher number of participants can engage in the event. Say 16 or so? Nobody is really doing Caravan for exp, that would be the only real reason to limit it to pty members.

1) more people could participate, difficulty would scale to match number of participants
2) EXP and Seals would be rewarded upon completion
3) Perhaps some sort of "much have engaged in combat" to receive reward? I don't know I'm sure they could balance it out to prevent lazy foalk from mooching. I've been doing caravan for a few days now honestly haven't had much of a problem with this.

My main gripe is really just the limited number of participants. It's kind of annoying having to switch out with people, or just not be able to do it because the main pty is full.

The problem is they as far as I know have no content which scales based on the amount of members involved. The coding for caravan is as simple as join event, get reward at end. There's no concept set in place to calculate involvement, check for afkers, or a means to scale it based on the amount involved.

Scaling an event is more then just adding mobs or making them stronger if 8 people fight 50 mobs, that doesn't mean 9 people fighting 60 mobs would be easier or tougher, it has to all be play tested to figure out the best setup for each increase in members.

If scaling events actually existed in this game then the empire invasion event would be a lot tougher then just pwning a bunch of lemmings for the slaughter lol.

The best way they can balance this event is by making it an instance and possibly adding it where you use a leve charge a run. Instead of risking leeches from joining your run it would be set in place like a primal run in which it will notify you that the leve/caravan is starting and everyone who posesses the proper leve will recieve a reward at the end of the caravan run.

Basically the chocobo dealer at the caravan could offer 4 different leves with difference challenges to them and then of course you have to be in a party when initiating the leve and upon starting it the leve/caravan is initiated for all.

Since the caravan itself would start automatically there would be absolutely no way for a leecher to involve themselves since if they attempted to enter a caravan solo then it would start off as a solo caravan run.

But ya, think that's the best way they could tweak it a bit, if they allow more people to do it they have to put a limit on it somehow and I just feel that using leve charges would be the best way to pull that off without making it to much of a hassle on the players.

[Antipika]

. There's no concept set in place to calculate involvement, check for afkers, or a means to scale it based on the amount involved.

Well then SE should add one. The game got enough metrics to evaluate if someone has been active or not. All they need is to come up with a balanced formula, which works for all needed tasks and is more or less equal for all jobs.

[Answa]

wait, people do caravan?!?

765-1k seals every 15 minutes? Yes. Yes, they do.

And JakeRoon, it's not boring. It's actually quite fun. But, as with everything else, when you repeat it often, you'll get burnt out.

[Molly_Millions]

I've done that, but it was because I got the quest before somebody else and the party leader refused to invite me. He actually accused me of stealing from the party. So before I did it, I told him "You wanna see stealing from a party?" then promptly switched to whm and put myself on follow on the NPC. Guess what happened? I got 500 seals for no work. Had the party leader invited me, I would have helped to earn the full 750 seals.

Please remember folks, caravan escorts are first come first served. Just because you did the last one, that does not guarantee you a spot in the next run, your MUST be faster than the other folks waiting for the quest.

[Answa]

I've done that, but it was because I got the quest before somebody else and the party leader refused to invite me. He actually accused me of stealing from the party. So before I did it, I told him "You wanna see stealing from a party?" then promptly switched to whm and put myself on follow on the NPC. Guess what happened? I got 500 seals for no work. Had the party leader invited me, I would have helped to earn the full 750 seals.

That's because you were alone there... with no party... and still you got the quest... alone... There's no reason to do that other than knowing full well that that party had already formed expressly for running caravans and wanting to butt in without having formed part of the party.

I tell my party not to do dick when people like you join unannounced.

[Molly_Millions]

That's because you were alone there... with no party... and still you got the quest... alone... There's no reason to do that other than knowing full well that that party had already formed expressly for running caravans and wanting to butt in without having formed part of the party.

I tell my party not to do dick when people like you join unannounced.

First come first served, it's not my fault people couldn't finish the quest in time to grab the next one. You cannot reserve a spot in the quest before the NPC pops. This is by design so that everyone gets a chance to play. I was not locked out of getting the quest. You better believe that if the same thing happens again and I get no invite, I'm waiting at golden bazaar. By the way, I had 4 people with me that I gathered in Uldah when I saw there was nobody waiting at the NPC.

[Answa]

First come first served, it's not my fault people couldn't finish the quest in time to grab the next one. You cannot reserve a spot in the quest before the NPC pops. This is by design so that everyone gets a chance to play. I was not locked out of getting the quest. You better believe that if the same thing happens again and I get no invite, I'm waiting at golden bazaar. By the way, I had 4 people with me that I gathered in Uldah when I saw there was nobody waiting at the NPC.

There's no way you can spin it other than you're being a douche. You can steal a party's mobs if you're farming an item they drop, the game allows you to by design. Do you do it? Hopefully not. Why? Because you'd be a douche.

This is the same thing.

[KumaAkuma]

Exploit Measure: add open PvP and sit on his face.

[Molly_Millions]

There's no way you can spin it other than you're being a douche. You can steal a party's mobs if you're farming an item they drop, the game allows you to by design. Do you do it? Hopefully not. Why? Because you'd be a douche.

This is the same thing.

It's not the same and you know it. When somebody is farming a drop that I need in the spot that I want, I look for another spot to farm. If there is no other spot, I go somewhere else close by and find something to do while I wait. Most of the time there is more than one spot that I can get the same drop. Caravan escorts on the other hand, there is room for 1 party and that's it. There is no way to reserve a spot, therefore you cannot reserve a spot, it's first come first served. When the NPC pops if you want a spot, you better be quick. It's the same with roaming NMs and the same thing with behests. If you want to join the fun, you better know how to get the claim.

[Melinia]

If someone signs up for Caravan and wants to participate, but is told by a party leader "We're not inviting you", then I've got no problem with them doing whatever. They're trying to get involved but being denied by someone else who's basically being an idiot. The issue is when someone signs up and then runs off without even attempting to get involved.

Ideally, the individual in question will try and find ways to help out anyway. But that isn't always feasible.