Building a better Alphinaud

[aveyond-dreams]

People who have known each other a long time having group conflicts is nonsensical? What? Siblings and even long-term friendships go through turmoil especially the longer it goes on, the only thing nonsensical here is the endless nodding and agreeing with each other. Their arcs are over. They only remain for fanfiction-style writing where nothing of consequence can happen. Under normal circumstances, if an arc is over, writers move the characters out so new and refreshing stories can take place. It is extremely unfortunate that FFXIV is unable to follow suit in this regard.

I completely disagree that getting rid of the white haired and ideologically homogenous scions would turn an enourmous amount of the playerbase off. If the end of ARR is anything to go by, that would only increase everyone's hype for the story once these characters finally exit the stage.

The whole monarchy to republic thing got old after it became their defacto way of wrapping up regions they don't want to deal with - the fact that they've repeated the same old song and dance this many times is a problem. I don't want to be told the same story 4 times in a row. Introducing irl political structures this many times comes across as preaching and it doesn't make for a world I want to spend time in.

I don't play Final Fantasy games because I want to liberate places and turn them into republics. The more and more unique political systems evaporate into thin air as the scions make their way, the less magic there is in this world. Couple that with throwing the Ancients out of the plot and a mountain of evidence that undermines my faith in the future story, this feels like one of the darkest moments in this game's history.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I don't play Final Fantasy games because I want to liberate places and turn them into republics. The more and more unique political systems evaporate into thin air as the scions make their way, the less magic there is in this world. Couple that with throwing the Ancients out of the plot and a mountain of evidence that undermines my faith in the future story, this feels like one of the darkest moments in this game's history.

I dont play Final Fantasy or any videogame for politics.
And I disagree that this is a Dark moment at all. Endwalker isn't even finished and we barley even know whats happening in the future plotline.
Ill wait and judge once more of the Patch content releases for the rest of the expansion.

[CrownySuccubus]

People who have known each other a long time having group conflicts is nonsensical? What? Siblings and even long-term friendships go through turmoil especially the longer it goes on, the only thing nonsensical here is the endless nodding and agreeing with each other.

I completely disagree that getting rid of the white haired and ideologically homogenous scions would turn an enourmous amount of the playerbase off. If the end of ARR is anything to go by, that would only increase everyone's hype for the story once these characters finally exit the stage.

Except you and Theodric aren't talking about merely "disagreeing" with each other. I specifically brought up the fact that the Scion's don't see eye-to-eye earlier and it was dismissed as "surface level". You guys are talking about flat out opposing each other on moral and philosophical terms, and that is NOT something "friends" typically do. As I mentioned before, even your "better" example of FFIX ends with three people who outright hated Zidane at the start (Steiner, Amarant and Garnet) becoming such good friends that they all risk their lives to rescue him on Pandemonium. Garnet and Steiner wind up falling in love with him and fully supporting said love, respectively, by the end of the game. Furthermore, the end of the game has the survivors of Burmecia, Lindblum, Cleyra, Alexandria and other kingdoms all becoming allied forces under a banner of friendship.

The whole monarchy to republic thing got old after it became their defacto way of wrapping up regions they don't want to deal with - the fact that they've repeated the same old song and dance this many times is a problem. I don't want to be told the same story 4 times in a row. Introducing irl political structures this many times comes across as preaching and it doesn't make for a world I want to spend time in.

As I mentioned in another thread, we also have stories about deposing one monarch to establish another (the Fae), a story about ending an occupation to restore a Monarchy (Doma), a story about BECOMING a "monarch" (the Steppe), and a story about helping a monarch step out of the shadows (Thavnair). You aren't hurting for different outcomes.

I don't play Final Fantasy games because I want to liberate places and turn them into republics. The more and more unique political systems evaporate into thin air as the scions make their way, the less magic there is in this world.

Again, it's really silly that "a whole lot of monarchies" are being called "unique political systems" but different types of Republics created by different people are being called "the same".

[IkaraGreydancer]

People who have known each other a long time having group conflicts is nonsensical? What? Siblings and even long-term friendships go through turmoil especially the longer it goes on, the only thing nonsensical here is the endless nodding and agreeing with each other. Their arcs are over. They only remain for fanfiction-style writing where nothing of consequence can happen. Under normal circumstances, if an arc is over, writers move the characters out so new and refreshing stories can take place. It is extremely unfortunate that FFXIV is unable to follow suit in this regard.

I completely disagree that getting rid of the white haired and ideologically homogenous scions would turn an enourmous amount of the playerbase off. If the end of ARR is anything to go by, that would only increase everyone's hype for the story once these characters finally exit the stage.

The whole monarchy to republic thing got old after it became their defacto way of wrapping up regions they don't want to deal with - the fact that they've repeated the same old song and dance this many times is a problem. I don't want to be told the same story 4 times in a row. Introducing irl political structures this many times comes across as preaching and it doesn't make for a world I want to spend time in.

I don't play Final Fantasy games because I want to liberate places and turn them into republics. The more and more unique political systems evaporate into thin air as the scions make their way, the less magic there is in this world. Couple that with throwing the Ancients out of the plot and a mountain of evidence that undermines my faith in the future story, this feels like one of the darkest moments in this game's history.

If you know how good writing should be done, at this point why aren't you in that profession? It's clear you believe your an Adonis when it comes to this realm so it makes me curious.

My close friends I've know for 10+ years and the last time we had any issues was in middle school more than 7 years ago. Sorry but while possible, if you're going through turmoil as you put it with folks you've known for a substantial amount of time you need new friends. Also what constitutes as "normal circumstances"? Is that another way for you to once again say "how I believe it should be"?

If you think HW was hype because of the lack of Scion involvement due to the end of ARR then you're more lost than I thought...
I also love how you devolve them to just "white haired and ideologically homogenous" as if thats all they are. Then again it's obvious that's all you see them as.

I do wonder how the Ancients were apparently just "thrown out" of the plot though. They served their purpose when it comes to the story. Hell without them via Elpis we'd have lost. We already knew they wouldn't stay longer due to the nature of them being sundered...but even then. Pandemonium is still going so technically they haven't been "thrown out". And it seems the 12 may have ties to the Ancients in some way but we wont know for sure til we get more of that story. But I can only assume that's just not enough for you as always.

[TaleraRistain]

People who have known each other a long time having group conflicts is nonsensical? What? Siblings and even long-term friendships go through turmoil especially the longer it goes on, the only thing nonsensical here is the endless nodding and agreeing with each other.

I've had friends for over 20 years and we either agree to disagree if we can't come to a consensus or we respectfully debate about things. Because we're friends and we want to stay that way. We've also been friends long enough that we know how to talk to each other. So I don't find the behavior of the Scions nonsensical at all.

We're also friends who've played D&D for years and we realize that even in a party with mixed alignment that Chaotic Evil murderhobo is probably not going to be conducive to us getting anything done. I love Fordola as a character and we've made our peace through the latest healer role quest, but she would have been far too devisive to travel with us before the point she's at now. Too much conflict just makes the story stagnate and that's not any fun.