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    aveyond-dreams's Avatar
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    It's almost as if I want to go see a republic I could just go outside and see American flags flying around but traditional, medieval monarchies don't exist in the real world and I like seeing them in games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    It's almost as if I want to go see a republic I could just go outside and see American flags flying around but traditional, medieval monarchies don't exist in the real world and I like seeing them in games.
    Cool. There's still plenty of them in the game. Once again, this isn't "Oops All Monarchies, or None At All".

    Quote Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai View Post
    The only people who have EVER claimed their side are some "mythical majority" are those Theodric and Aveyond were arguing against. Do you really think I wouldn't remember, Crowny? Come on, now. Do you really think I wouldn't remember, Crowny? Come on, now.
    To be honest, I don't know who you are nor care what you do or don't remember.

    If this "their side" you're talking about are people who liked Endwalker's story, then you're sure as hell not talking about me. I detested Endwalker's story for the most part, but as I've also said (which you've also conveniently forgotten) is that just because I hate one aspect of FFXIV doesn't mean I'm going to nod my head to any and all hate of it.

    So really, given how spotty your memory is, maybe I shouldn't have expected you to remember.
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    Last edited by CrownySuccubus; 07-18-2022 at 07:50 AM.

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    Of all the scions ( and honestly like literally any one NPC, save for emet & tsuyu imo ) we should not be worried about building a better Alphinaud.
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    Eulmore's Vauthry-era government was processing unwanted residents into Soylent Beige and feeding them to the others. Vauthry had no heirs, to all evidence, and the current situation was obviously not sustainable. We don't actually know what their political situation is enough to say it's now a full republic - if Chai-Nuzz has to specify that he doesn't intend to be mayor for life, that sounds like what is technically known as an elective monarchy(!!!), where people vote in a leader and then they stay for life.

    I honestly don't remember what the Crystarium's political situation is supposed to be now that the Exarch's gone, but given that G'raha's from Sharlayan, pushing them towards some sort of representative democracy (like what he grew up with) makes total sense.
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    FFXIV wants to now appeal to the single player crowd so I will hold it to the standard of other single player rpgs. Its cast of npcs is found wanting.
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    Because goodness forbid that feedback is actually listened to so that people don't get pushed out of the games they like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Because goodness forbid that feedback is actually listened to so that people don't get pushed out of the games they like.
    You do realize this is a 2 way street yes? You speak as if everyone can be pleased which will never be the case. By your logic folks that want xiv to have a battle royal mode should be listened to simply because if they aren't it pushes them away. That's not how this works
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Because goodness forbid that feedback is actually listened to so that people don't get pushed out of the games they like.
    This is the problem:

    Sincerely, I really love G’raha Tia. As far as I’m concerned, they could add even more focus on him to the game and it would be 100% gravy for me. Logically, I understand there are people that loathe G’raha as much as I love him, so I support options that minimize the time the player is required to interact with him and negative replies in addition to positive/neutral ones when options to reply are given. This would allow the playerbase leeway in how they see their WoL respond to him on a personal level. (I support this for all the Scions, actually.)

    However, you’ve made it clear through your posting that nothing less than a purge of G’raha Tia would show that the developers value you as a player. But why should your desire for a completely G’raha-free experience supersede my desire for a complete G’raha experience? I’m willing to meet haters halfway and say most of that experience I desire should be optional, but you won’t even acknowledge that players like me exist.

    Why should I be remotely sympathetic to your desires and feelings for the game with the way you present your arguments as to how it should progress? Why should I think your desires are more important than my own, as someone who likes both G’raha and Alphinaud?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Because goodness forbid that feedback is actually listened to so that people don't get pushed out of the games they like.
    I can honestly feel your passion for this game, but I'm starting to think you're either setting your expectations too high or maybe you need to find another game/hobby to occupy your time. This is turning into your Hildibrand Relic thread all over again. You're walking a fine line between expressing feedback and insulting other's preferences and then wondering why people are digging in their heels towards your ideas. Nobody enjoys being told their faves should be deleted from the game or heavily tweaked just because you think your vision is better. Healthy discussion is fine, but I'm no longer seeing anything constructive here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TsuchinokoPanda View Post
    I can honestly feel your passion for this game, but I'm starting to think you're either setting your expectations too high or maybe you need to find another game/hobby to occupy your time. This is turning into your Hildibrand Relic thread all over again. You're walking a fine line between expressing feedback and insulting other's preferences and then wondering why people are digging in their heels towards your ideas. Nobody enjoys being told their faves should be deleted from the game or heavily tweaked just because you think your vision is better. Healthy discussion is fine, but I'm no longer seeing anything constructive here.
    Their expectations are always high. The op and those who share their views about the game are always like this where any suggestion that doesn't go to the extent or isn't as extreme as theirs is not good enough. Along with showing any examples of times the Scions not being on the same page, that all of the governments aren't the same, or that everyone must want and think that the guy in the what a Chad meme is not only what everyone pictures as masculine but is also their cup of tea.

    Any kind of disagreement gets shot down or it doesn't count for some reason. While you might get called names and saying that they're being shut down and made to feel as though they can't share their opinions. When asked to show proof of the shut down they never point to the forums they cite Twitter and Reddit and Discords that I'm fairly sure most who post here aren't apart of. Not saying that some who disagree with their views haven't stooped to name calling, but those on the OP's pull out the Woe is me card fairly quickly. To the point that you can't even use real life allegories or parallels or they'll claim that you're saying that they like the things you used in your argument. If not outright calling them said things.

    Not that they have gone and outright said it, but I'm fairly sure they'd want the Scions to being prey to the "Protagonists have a fight or misunderstanding that shouldn't even be a thing before the beginning of the 3rd act" cliche. For at least the expansions. Maybe even the .5 patches. I'd hate to think or assume that they'd want them to be always disagreeing as I'm fairly sure we'd get a lot more of the player base wondering if the Scions are really supposed to be friends or even like each other. As I doubt many would want to see constant headbutting.

    I think Alphinaud is fine and that he has slowly, but surely refining his debating and negotiating skills. While also learning that not everyone was born as privileged as he was let alone as rich as he was. Remember he started out as your typical spoiled rich brat who then got taught basic survival skills by an ex shepherd turned dragoon.
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