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  1. #241
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldtagg View Post
    I know I'm just replying to the last entry of your post, but this is really something that annoys me about most MMORPG's; the idea that "bookworms"(casters) should be skinny and frail
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    The words you are looking for are "lithe and limber", not "skinny and frail". "Lithe" referring to the athletic grace of a person, "limber" referring to a resilient mind.
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  2. #242
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    On the contrary, it makes perfect sense as an option.
    Eldtagg explicitly says "works out a little" with slim arms and 20% body fat. Not a powerlifter or a powerfully built and active man with a healthy layer of fat.

    Could there be more character customization options? Sure, I guess. Does their NEED to be more character customization options and is FFXIV missing out on a large chunk of potential players because of it? No.

    Besides, if you want that body type, there's the Vanu Vanu outfit.
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  3. #243
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    The perceived lack of character creation options has consistently been a common criticism of the game over the years, though. It just so happens that whenever anyone suggests that maybe some more time and effort could be put into expanding the range of options available to those of us who appreciate masculinity the suggestions are shot down - mysteriously quite often by those who seem to drift towards feminine and/or androgynous aesthetics themselves.

    Let's not forget that more facial hair options were a common request for years and yet Yoshi-P was surprised that people wanted it - suggesting that feedback related to such things simply isn't reaching him for whatever reason. Yet to his credit, it took a while but he added a new stubble option for Midlander men which has proven to be very successful based on the amount of Midlanders sporting it - my own included.
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  4. #244
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    The perceived lack of character creation options has consistently been a common criticism of the game over the years, though. It just so happens that whenever anyone suggests that maybe some more time and effort could be put into expanding the range of options available to those of us who appreciate masculinity the suggestions are shot down - mysteriously quite often by those who seem to drift towards feminine and/or androgynous aesthetics themselves.

    Let's not forget that more facial hair options were a common request for years and yet Yoshi-P was surprised that people wanted it - suggesting that feedback related to such things simply isn't reaching him for whatever reason. Yet to his credit, it took a while but he added a new stubble option for Midlander men which has proven to be very successful based on the amount of Midlanders sporting it - my own included.
    Highlander Hyurs and Male Roegadyn are RIGHT THERE. They're about as testosterone-fueled as you could want with burly muscles, beards, dreadlocks, tanned skin and everything. I've never seen hide or hair of these complaints you've spoken of and I doubt it's because of people shouting them down.
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  5. #245
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    This is good!

    Rogadyne character is closest to the Father Body and let you do the lose hair option when character age increase. But the player do not appreciate power of true muscle and they always pick the puny man instead. I want the big jaw choice to be like famous wrestler smiling in the picture though because the jaw is too small.

    Elfman character are right size in tall but are hungry because no food to eat and spend too much time to read the Ishguard politics. Cannot go to gym without the bulk too! Player does not know this because just become strong in game and not in the life. Alphanaud does not know this because he spend all time the reading slice of the life manga. Even red Alphanaud make fun of this.

    The writer must make story where we train the Alphanaud to become strong and bulk into the Rogadyne like the Grand Company Gym where team does the pushups.
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  6. #246
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dikatis View Post
    Highlander Hyurs and Male Roegadyn are RIGHT THERE. They're about as testosterone-fueled as you could want with burly muscles, beards, dreadlocks, tanned skin and everything. I've never seen hide or hair of these complaints you've spoken of and I doubt it's because of people shouting them down.
    Highlander and Roegadyn men do not resemble the likes of Basch, Gladio or Snow. The former have great physiques but the lack of eyebrows makes them look unappealing to many of us and there's arguably something 'off' about their faces. Roegadyn, meanwhile, are seen as awkwardly proportioned.

    Whether the update to the older character models remedies the situation or not remains to be seen, though more options is rarely a bad thing.
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  7. #247
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldtagg View Post
    I know I'm just replying to the last entry of your post, but this is really something that annoys me about most MMORPG's; the idea that "bookworms"(casters) should be skinny and frail

    You want to have a strong mind? Then build your body. Having a strong body is the very foundation for evolving your brain.

    A great bookworm is someone that would both hit the books and the gym.
    Strongly agree with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Highlander and Roegadyn men do not resemble the likes of Basch, Gladio or Snow. The former have great physiques but the lack of eyebrows makes them look unappealing to many of us and there's arguably something 'off' about their faces. Roegadyn, meanwhile, are seen as awkwardly proportioned.

    Whether the update to the older character models remedies the situation or not remains to be seen, though more options is rarely a bad thing.
    There are au ra, which combine powerful bodies with good faces, but those come with the scales, horns and tails, which is not to everyone's taste. At this point, what we need is enhanced character customisation.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 07-15-2022 at 10:24 PM.
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  8. #248
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    Razfahd Mahadevan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dikatis View Post
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    That exactly what I said though?

    I said that I am not looking for a dadbod. What I did say is that it is completely unfeasible that WoL would be able to keep up 8% bodyfat with the life they live.

    Look, you can workout as much as you want at the gym, but without the correct regiment; training/eating and cutting every single bad stuf like alcohol and sugar also add 8 hours quality sleep every single day you won\\'t ever look toned and lean.

    You will look doughy and soft like most people that run or lift weights 4 days a week do.

    Our bodies adapt to what we are doing constantly to make the next repetition/swordslinging easier to handle.
    How you build muscles is that you "shock" the muscle as Arnold says; you constantly switch up your routine so the muscle never know what is going to hit it.

    This is difficult because we are creatures of habit and most people do not want to feel like they are about to die every single workout day.

    You are also not going to swing around your weapons on a constant state of 8% bodyfat because you need the fat storage and water storage for the body to be able to function under stress for longer times.

    Also low water weight is dangerous and is something you only do for competitions.

    Actors uses more performance enhancers than you think to be able to get in shape for their roles.
    Case in point; why are wrestlers like Kevin Owens able to run around with the likes of The Rock? Because they specifically have trained to perform in a small square circle.

    Is Kevin Owens able to keep up with a marathon runner? Absolutely not, but Kevin Owens is a much more realistic bodytype for our WoL than you may think.

    The He-Man /She-Ra body and 8% is completely unrealistic for our guys/gals if we are going with semantics.

    I'm not asking for dadbod, I am asking for a masculine option instead of the teenage Ken-dolls we have.
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  9. #249
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Let's not forget that more facial hair options were a common request for years and yet Yoshi-P was surprised that people wanted it - suggesting that feedback related to such things simply isn't reaching him for whatever reason. Yet to his credit, it took a while but he added a new stubble option for Midlander men which has proven to be very successful based on the amount of Midlanders sporting it - my own included.
    Unfortunately my face did not get the option for a stubble.

    I'd love to be able to have the beard I have and a check stubble and real eyebrows.
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  10. #250
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I thought representation was important?
    Why do you care, though? Because going by your posts in other threads, you're steadfastly against adding LGBT and minority characters strictly for the purposes of representation.

    Once again, you're bringing up a perceived "double standard" which you're only against when it stops you from getting what YOU want.
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